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Ooh - They'll have to push back the beginnings
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Ooh - They'll have to push back the beginnings
September 18, 2014 at 11:24 am
of the Chalcolithic period.

http://www.newser.com/story/192889/this-...story.html

Quote: A small copper awl found in a woman's ancient grave in Israel is rewriting history. It's the oldest metal object ever found in the Middle East, and was probably owned by the apparently important 40-year-old woman buried with it in an extravagant Tel Tsaf grave, LiveScience reports. The awl's date has pushed back metal use in the region centuries earlier than thought, to about 5100 BC.

Normally 4,500 BC is the start of the Chalcolithic period in the ANE but perhaps of greater significance is the apparent existence of long-distance commerce at such a remote period.
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September 18, 2014 at 11:54 am
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RE: Ooh - They'll have to push back the beginnings
September 18, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Sweet! Now we can re-interpret Genesis so that the ark is made of metal!
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RE: Ooh - They'll have to push back the beginnings
September 18, 2014 at 12:38 pm
(September 18, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Tonus Wrote: Sweet! Now we can re-interpret Genesis so that the ark is made of metal!

I thought it was made of the wood of the carbon fiber tree locally known as the gopher tree.
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RE: Ooh - They'll have to push back the beginnings
September 18, 2014 at 1:09 pm
(September 18, 2014 at 12:38 pm)Brakeman Wrote: I thought it was made of the wood of the carbon fiber tree locally known as the gopher tree.
That, uh... that was... yeah, "gopher wood" was just a common colloquial term for "metal."

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RE: Ooh - They'll have to push back the beginnings
September 18, 2014 at 1:17 pm
The fundies will never accept the age of the object.
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September 18, 2014 at 1:24 pm
(September 18, 2014 at 1:17 pm)KUSA Wrote: The fundies will never accept the age of the object.

Yep. Fuck 'em.
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September 18, 2014 at 1:25 pm
(September 18, 2014 at 1:24 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(September 18, 2014 at 1:17 pm)KUSA Wrote: The fundies will never accept the age of the object.

Yep. Fuck 'em.

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RE: Ooh - They'll have to push back the beginnings
September 18, 2014 at 8:52 pm
The invention of metal smelting is one of the most argued facets in archaeology. Even for copper, a campfire is a couple of hundred degrees short of the needed temperature which means some unknown genius had to figure a way to make fire hotter. Now, we have to move the date back another 600 years.
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September 18, 2014 at 9:02 pm (This post was last modified: September 18, 2014 at 9:08 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(September 18, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The invention of metal smelting is one of the most argued facets in archaeology. Even for copper, a campfire is a couple of hundred degrees short of the needed temperature which means some unknown genius had to figure a way to make fire hotter. Now, we have to move the date back another 600 years.


I believe there is evidence the Neanderthal had the skills to heat tree barks in oxygen free environment up to well beyond normal temperature achievable in a camp fire to turn them into a resin like glue for holding stone spear points to wooden shafts.

This glue can't be made naturally because tree bark will burn long before they reach the temperature for this glue to form.
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