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Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Does anyone, like me, think that the circumstance of rape should be taken into account during sentencing?
Don't get me wrong, if rape was an 8 out of 10 on the scale of crime, then I'm advocating a range of 7.6 to 8.9 for various rape crimes...
My reasoning is this...
Scenario A... a loving couple, in bed, she's asleep, they like rough, random, sex. He wakes up at 2am, hands wander... penetrates, she resists, but that's part of their 'game'... but she didn't want it !
Scenario B... Uni guy meets Uni girl... boozed up at a party, all over each other. Go back to a room, girl passes out, guy does it anyway !
Scenario C... Ageing rock star on tour.. young girls at stage door, clearly sexually aware, drugs/drink in abundance, they shag and both consent... but she's 15!
Scenario D.. gang of lads get given some date rape drug... go out, target three girls, spike their drink, get them in a cab, to a local park, and do the deed !
Scenario E... guy wants a particular woman at any cost.. stalks her, eventually takes a knife, she gets off the bus, he drags her into a hedge at knifepoint and does his worst.
Scenario F... Weird guy in the town abducts a 7 yr old, locks her in the cellar, rapes her most days for 30 years until she escapes, and rapes her daughters he's fathered.
Ok, so please replace 'he' for 'she' in the scenarios where it may be appropriate.
But one word, one crime doesn't really cover this lot does it?
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 6:43 pm
(October 16, 2014 at 6:38 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Does anyone, like me, think that the circumstance of rape should be taken into account during sentencing?
Don't get me wrong, if rape was an 8 out of 10 on the scale of crime, then I'm advocating a range of 7.6 to 8.9 for various rape crimes...
My reasoning is this...
Scenario A... a loving couple, in bed, she's asleep, they like rough, random, sex. He wakes up at 2am, hands wander... penetrates, she resists, but that's part of their 'game'... but she didn't want it !
It's rape.
Quote:Scenario B... Uni guy meets Uni girl... boozed up at a party, all over each other. Go back to a room, girl passes out, guy does it anyway !
Uh... yeah... that's rape.
Quote:Scenario C... Ageing rock star on tour.. young girls at stage door, clearly sexually aware, drugs/drink in abundance, they shag and both consent... but she's 15!
Statutory rape- treated the same as rape.
Quote:Scenario D.. gang of lads get given some date rape drug... go out, target three girls, spike their drink, get them in a cab, to a local park, and do the deed !
Rape and kidnapping.
Quote:Scenario E... guy wants a particular woman at any cost.. stalks her, eventually takes a knife, she gets off the bus, he drags her into a hedge at knifepoint and does his worst.
Rape, kidnapping, stalking, harassment, and assault and battery with a deadly weapon.
Quote:Scenario F... Weird guy in the town abducts a 7 yr old, locks her in the cellar, rapes her most days for 30 years until she escapes, and rapes her daughters he's fathered.
So many different crimes here.
Quote:Ok, so please replace 'he' for 'she' in the scenarios where it may be appropriate.
But one word, one crime doesn't really cover this lot does it?
Nope; your scenarios contain a ton of different crimes.
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 6:46 pm
I imagine these cases are treated differently in court, but by the time word gets out to the population, the situation is whittled down to one word.
Not to derail this immediately, but what's it say about humans that there's a fantasy porn for nearly every one of these scenarios?
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
"Hi Jesus" -robvalue
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 6:49 pm
(This post was last modified: October 16, 2014 at 6:56 pm by The Valkyrie.)
There are certain degrees, but to me rape is rape.
Sex needs to be between consenting adults.
Scenario A&B: Consent was not given. If she's asleep, even if she was apparently previously permissive, that does not mean consent
Scenario C: She's not of age to consent. I understand the circumstances but it's up to him to be careful. If she had a fake ID or something like that, then there are mitigating circumstances.
Scenarios D-F: I will agree that these should be punished very harshly
But, as rexbeccarox says, there are multiple different crimes in all these scenarios, not just rape
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 7:00 pm
(October 16, 2014 at 6:49 pm)Beccs Wrote: There are certain degrees, but to me rape is rape.
Sex needs to be between consenting adults.
Scenario A&B: Consent was not given. If she's asleep, even if she was apparently previously permissive, that does not mean consent
Scenario C: She's not of age to consent. I understand the circumstances but it's up to him to be careful. If she had a fake ID or something like that, then there are mitigating circumstances.
Scenarios D-F: I will agree that these should be punished very harshly
But, as rexbeccarox says, there are multiple different crimes in all these scenarios, not just rape
Absent further information, A lacks consent and is rape However I can envision relationships where open-ended consent is given because the female finds that sort of scenario arousing. As written, yeah it's rape.
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 7:04 pm
Interesting... and don't get me wrong, I'm with you guys..
Let me add to the conundrum...
A.. guy you've never met, at a party, you go to a bedroom with him, kissing, and he takes it a stage further,,, but with his hand on your throat..
B.. boyfriend, in that experimental relationship, decides he wants to go for anal whilst holding you down in the "rough play"
C.. 11pm and you walking home from work and guy grabs you etc...
Are they all the same?
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 7:06 pm
They're all rape. The tacking on of additional crimes doesn't change that part.
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm
(October 16, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (October 16, 2014 at 6:49 pm)Beccs Wrote: There are certain degrees, but to me rape is rape.
Sex needs to be between consenting adults.
Scenario A&B: Consent was not given. If she's asleep, even if she was apparently previously permissive, that does not mean consent
Scenario C: She's not of age to consent. I understand the circumstances but it's up to him to be careful. If she had a fake ID or something like that, then there are mitigating circumstances.
Scenarios D-F: I will agree that these should be punished very harshly
But, as rexbeccarox says, there are multiple different crimes in all these scenarios, not just rape
Absent further information, A lacks consent and is rape However I can envision relationships where open-ended consent is given because the female finds that sort of scenario arousing. As written, yeah it's rape. I think it only counts if the person presses charges. If A (Or C for that matter) decide to not press charges, then in hindsight they were okay with it. It all depends on the "victim's" view of the circumstances. The LETTER of the law may say differently, but fuck the police.
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm
... wow, just on Wikipedia and there's something called sexsomnia where people have sex in their sleep... where does that sit?
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RE: Differing degrees of rape?
October 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm
..what?
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