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NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
#11
RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
Well, in all fairness to Heywood, I think the point can certainly be made that the NAACP does less to promote black people than the KKK does to promote white people...

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#12
RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
Well, maybe they make the mistake of only prmoting black people who actually do something for the black community. Just saying.
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RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
(November 9, 2014 at 6:41 pm)abaris Wrote: Well, maybe they make the mistake of only prmoting black people who actually do something for the black community. Just saying.

Tim Scott and Mia Love are trying to make america a better place for all people....not just blacks.
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#14
RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
(November 9, 2014 at 6:43 pm)Heywood Wrote:
(November 9, 2014 at 6:41 pm)abaris Wrote: Well, maybe they make the mistake of only prmoting black people who actually do something for the black community. Just saying.

Tim Scott and Mia Love are trying to make america a better place for all people....not just blacks.

Senator Edward W. Brooke, Republican of Massachusetts and the first black politician popularly elected to the United States Senate, way back in 1966.

He worked for the people of Massachusetts, all of them.

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RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
(November 9, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote:
(November 9, 2014 at 6:43 pm)Heywood Wrote: Tim Scott and Mia Love are trying to make america a better place for all people....not just blacks.

Senator Edward W. Brooke, Republican of Massachusetts and the first black politician popularly elected to the United States Senate, way back in 1966.

He worked for the people of Massachusetts, all of them.

It's remarkable how often you get things wrong.

I knew full well Tim Scott wasn't the first black senator elected since reconstruction but rather the first black senator from the south elected since reconstruction......which is still a big deal. I apologize for not making that clear in my posts. I shouldn't be so sloppy.
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RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
(November 9, 2014 at 6:32 pm)Heywood Wrote: It shows I considered your "explanation" and looked for evidence for it...but found none. You are right. The NAACP could have made an error....and then they could have been incompetent at correcting their error. That is certainly possible as we don't know what is in their minds. I just don't think it very likely. The more plausible explanation is that they are more interested in promoting ideology instead of the goal of advancing people of color.

Maybe they had better things to do than endlessly amend press releases to satisfy officious, small minded, anal retentive busybodies with a thoughtless, dogged right wing agenda? Something tells me that you wouldn't be satisfied no matter what they did, which speaks more to your need to spin every little thing any group even remotely left wing does into some affront to the right. Dodgy

Because, see, what something like this would register to me as, is "no big deal." It's a fucking press release; one would think that the group's actual work would carry more weight for their intentions than their news statements, but then I guess to someone as shallow as you it's more important that they give the impression of kowtowing to the republicans than what they do. Rolleyes
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RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
(November 9, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(November 9, 2014 at 6:32 pm)Heywood Wrote: It shows I considered your "explanation" and looked for evidence for it...but found none. You are right. The NAACP could have made an error....and then they could have been incompetent at correcting their error. That is certainly possible as we don't know what is in their minds. I just don't think it very likely. The more plausible explanation is that they are more interested in promoting ideology instead of the goal of advancing people of color.

Maybe they had better things to do than endlessly amend press releases to satisfy officious, small minded, anal retentive busybodies with a thoughtless, dogged right wing agenda? Something tells me that you wouldn't be satisfied no matter what they did, which speaks more to your need to spin every little thing any group even remotely left wing does into some affront to the right. Dodgy

Because, see, what something like this would register to me as, is "no big deal." It's a fucking press release; one would think that the group's actual work would carry more weight for their intentions than their news statements, but then I guess to someone as shallow as you it's more important that they give the impression of kowtowing to the republicans than what they do. Rolleyes

I would think that an organization whose purpose is to advance colored people would celebrate when colored people are advanced into frontiers which where previously closed to them.

This organization doesn't really care about advancing colored people. It cares about advancing ideology.

My children are people of color and I would like to see that they have all the same opportunities that I have had.
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RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
(November 9, 2014 at 7:57 pm)Heywood Wrote: I would think that an organization whose purpose is to advance colored people would celebrate when colored people are advanced into frontiers which where previously closed to them.

This organization doesn't really care about advancing color people. It cares about advancing ideology.

Again, it's a press release. Individually it's hardly more than a tertiary concern for an organization that actually does any work. The fact that you're still so rigidly focused on appearances just proves my point. Rolleyes
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RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
(November 9, 2014 at 7:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(November 9, 2014 at 7:57 pm)Heywood Wrote: I would think that an organization whose purpose is to advance colored people would celebrate when colored people are advanced into frontiers which where previously closed to them.

This organization doesn't really care about advancing color people. It cares about advancing ideology.

Again, it's a press release. Individually it's hardly more than a tertiary concern for an organization that actually does any work. The fact that you're still so rigidly focused on appearances just proves my point. Rolleyes

This isn't a case of telling a book by its cover. Its a case of examining the fruits to understand the tree. The NAACP doesn't really care about the advancement of colored people. If they did the first black senator elected in the south since reconstruction would be a big deal to them. They would celebrate it not down play it or pretend it didn't happen by ignoring it completely.

In this cycle the republicans also elected the youngest woman ever to go to congress. The feminist at least acknowledged it as a victory for women....they put in the caveat that they wished she was a democrat....but acknowledged that her victory was still another victory for women in general and should be celebrated. The NAACP can't even do that......what does it say about them?
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#20
RE: NAACP, Are they really for the advancement of colored people?
(November 9, 2014 at 8:12 pm)Heywood Wrote: This isn't a case of telling a book by its cover. Its a case of examining the fruits to understand the tree. The NAACP doesn't really care about the advancement of colored people. If they did the first black senator elected in the south since reconstruction would be a big deal to them. They would celebrate it not down play it or pretend it didn't happen by ignoring it completely

No, see, because the fruits would be their actions, not their words. Words are easy, actions are hard. If you're looking at the fruit at all, my point is that you aren't looking very closely. You aren't even picking the fruit to see it up close; you're just casting a glance at the fruit and claiming that it's all bad fruit because you'd decided beforehand that this was the case, and look, that single fruit up there looks like it might have a bruise, therefore you're right.

You're trying to extrapolate from a data point of one. Not even a particularly compelling data point, a rather petty and insignificant data point, when you consider the format. You can't do that, and the fact that you're still trying to, the fact that insufficient evidence is enough to get you to draw a conclusion you're defending with this much ardor, demonstrates precisely that you're working from a presupposition, and not following the evidence where it leads.

Quote:In this cycle the republicans also elected the youngest woman ever to go to congress. The feminist at least acknowledged it as a victory for women....they put in the caveat that they wished she was a democrat....but acknowledged that her victory was still another victory for women in general and should be celebrated. The NAACP can't even do that......what does it say about them?

It says they have an anal retentive, ideological madman over-scrutinizing them in an attempt to confirm an opinion he had before he started investigating and will not relinquish? Dodgy
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