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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 12:34 pm
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Bet they've let christian scientists watch their children wither and die with the flu, and JW's kids bleed out on the table.......btw. Surprised that the families lawyers didn't just advise them to join a cult.
(unless they were poor, and their lawyer was an employee of the state..at which point nothing surprises me)
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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 12:50 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 12:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Bet they've let christian scientists watch their children wither and die with the flu, and JW's kids bleed out on the table.......btw. Surprised that the families lawyers didn't just advise them to join a cult.
(unless they were poor, and their lawyer was an employee of the state..at which point nothing surprises me)
Yeah, all they would have had to do was say that it was against their religion and everything would be kosher.
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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 12:56 pm
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Not always, but I don't recall Connecticut as having made the stand that some other states have made in that regard. Nor would I expect it....of Connecticut.
(just wanted to get in front of that one..lol)
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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 12:59 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Ever know anyone who has taken chemo? It's a dreadful process and the idea seems to be that it kills the cancer a little faster than the rest of your body.
If the kid wanted an abortion I would support her right. I guess after thinking it over I have to come down on the side that says the state is being a little heavy-handed.
Is this Chemo a cure or a treatment?
If it's just prolonging life but making her ill I can understand the refusal, if it's a cure then she should at least give it a try.
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January 9, 2015 at 1:25 pm
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They have a (relatively) high level of confidence that the treatment will be successful. She did give it a try, she doesn't want it.
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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 2:07 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 12:59 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: If it's just prolonging life but making her ill I can understand the refusal, if it's a cure then she should at least give it a try.
Whatever her reasons for refusal, her life belongs to her, not the state.
Or are we all vassals of the state, compelled to do what we "should" do?
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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 2:31 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 2:07 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Or are we all vassals of the state, compelled to do what we "should" do?
Yes, we are. Attempting suicide, while legal in all fifty states, will (in most cases) get you admitted to a psych eval (72 hour stay in a mental ward) and in many cases, admitted for a longer stay. The wishes of the individual and those closest to them are ignored as the state enforces life on someone who does not want it.
Granted, this can be beneficial in cases of people who would normally wish to continue living but have attempted suicide due to mental condition. However, there is no consideration given to the idea that they may truly be done with living and want to, in their right mind, end their own life.
Hell, suicide by certainly terminal patients cannot be attended by loved ones in most states without the loved ones risking criminal prosecution, and can be assisted (under stringent government guidelines) in only one.
Yes, we are vassals of the state, condemned to do what the state has determined is "right."
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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 2:36 pm
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Pretty sure that's not even remotely an accurate assessment of what we are - even if it's an accurate assessment of how many in the state choose to see it.
Our state, here in The States, is a vassal (not that this language is even half appropriate, given the structure of our state) to it's public, and explicitly so.
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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 2:43 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 2:31 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: Yes, we are vassals of the state, condemned to do what the state has determined is "right."
It was a rhetorical question. :p
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RE: Of Two Minds A Bit On This One....
January 9, 2015 at 2:43 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 2:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Pretty sure that's not even remotely an accurate assessment of what we are - even if it's an accurate assessment of how many in the state choose to see it.
Our state, here in The States, is a vassal (not that this language is even half appropriate, given the structure of our state) to it's public, and explicitly so.
In principle, but as we see in this case and others, not so much in practice.
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