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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 16, 2015 at 10:46 pm
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(February 16, 2015 at 8:19 am)Hoopington Wrote: (February 16, 2015 at 4:33 am)Godschild Wrote: Salvation comes before all else, you leave it out and you have nothing, like I said stop cherry picking and study to find truth.
Chapter and verse please. Not some vague bollocks about salvation being important, I want the verse and chapter that tells the reader that salvation comes before everything, including God.
That's not what I was saying salvation is the beginning of the Christians life, nothing else can proceed the starting point.
GC
(February 16, 2015 at 9:59 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (February 16, 2015 at 4:33 am)Godschild Wrote: Salvation comes before all else, you leave it out and you have nothing,[...]
Of course. It would be unreasonable to expect Christians to believe anything, without the prospect of a reward. Business is business...
The rewards are promised long before any become a Christian, Jesus himself asked us to store up treasures in heaven and not worry about the things of this life. He referred to God caring for the sparrow, how much more will He care for a believer.
GC
(February 16, 2015 at 6:19 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: (February 16, 2015 at 4:33 am)Godschild Wrote: Salvation comes before all else, you leave it out and you have nothing, like I said stop cherry picking and study to find truth.
GC You know I find it equally amusing and repulsively dishonest when a christer accuses someone of cherry picking! You CANNOT believe your fucked up story book WITHOUT cherry picking.
Then of course, it is GC...
I believe in the absolute truth of all scripture, all is important, none can be ignored, it's a book to teach those who decide to follow Christ.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 17, 2015 at 6:34 am
(February 16, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: (February 16, 2015 at 9:59 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Of course. It would be unreasonable to expect Christians to believe anything, without the prospect of a reward. Business is business...
The rewards are promised long before any become a Christian, Jesus himself asked us to store up treasures in heaven and not worry about the things of this life. He referred to God caring for the sparrow, how much more will He care for a believer.
Thanks for proving my point. Jesus promised you eternal life, so you believe everything else the Bible says, no matter how ridiculous it is. As you said before - without salvation you have nothing. Without the promise of paradise, the whole christian "philosophy" is useless and christians would not adhere to it.
Maybe you believe all that stuff, because it makes sense to you (somehow). Or maybe - just maybe - you simply don't want to die and will follow anyone and anything, that gives you the slightest hope for immortality.
Maybe you behave morally simply because you're a moral person. Or maybe you do it in order to suck up to Jesus, so that he invites you to his after-party.
I guess we'll never know...
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 17, 2015 at 6:41 pm
(February 17, 2015 at 6:34 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (February 16, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: The rewards are promised long before any become a Christian, Jesus himself asked us to store up treasures in heaven and not worry about the things of this life. He referred to God caring for the sparrow, how much more will He care for a believer.
Thanks for proving my point. Jesus promised you eternal life, so you believe everything else the Bible says, no matter how ridiculous it is. As you said before - without salvation you have nothing. Without the promise of paradise, the whole christian "philosophy" is useless and christians would not adhere to it.
Maybe you believe all that stuff, because it makes sense to you (somehow). Or maybe - just maybe - you simply don't want to die and will follow anyone and anything, that gives you the slightest hope for immortality.
Maybe you behave morally simply because you're a moral person. Or maybe you do it in order to suck up to Jesus, so that he invites you to his after-party.
I guess we'll never know...
Jesus know and I know and that's all that really matters. I proved nothing of your deluded ideas of Christianity.
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 17, 2015 at 8:11 pm
(February 15, 2015 at 5:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sounds like you've re-written the Bible to suit your desire to dismiss the truths within. Well that's not a possibility, truth is what it is and can't be changed, why not study the scriptures instead of skimming over them to cherry pick. Now, if that ain't the 'pot calling the kettle black', I don't know what is.
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 17, 2015 at 9:19 pm
(February 17, 2015 at 6:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Jesus know and I know and that's all that really matters. I proved nothing of your deluded ideas of Christianity.
You're proving my points all the time, even if you're to dim to notice.
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 18, 2015 at 2:24 am
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The correct verses are in 1st Timothy 6:9-11.
Each point you gave is definitely your refusal to see the evidence. You have the right not to see it. I have the right to ignore you.
This is directed towards "Godschild". Repeating your responses and yelling does not mean you are right. Just because I am silent does not mean that you are correct either. Just avoiding the ignorance.
By the way, predestination is pure ignorance. St. Augustine champions it in "City of God".
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 18, 2015 at 3:27 am
To Christians:
Even after the evidence you still oppose it. Christianity was not intended to last after 140 A.D.! The more you stick to it the more the world burns. You know, it seems someone or something created Christianity and then watched humans create another religion after another religion. Until finally the technology is available for the ignorant religious fanatics to wipe out all of humanity. Of course, it could be anti-religious fanatics as well which could push the button into oblivion. Who knows what the end game is about? Don't worry I will later post something concerning the factions within Atheism. Since militant atheism is no better than irrational religion.
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 18, 2015 at 6:13 am
(February 15, 2015 at 6:23 pm)Jenny A Wrote: As I read the Gospels, and Paul for that matter, the second coming should have been about 60 to 90 A.D. (before the generation listening to Jesus died) and nothing like it has happened then or since. However, current Christians obviously don't read it that way, or there wouldn't be any current Christians. One of the many reasons there are so many sects of Christians is that there is no straight forward way to get around Luke 23:32-32:
Quote:So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place. I suppose when you take a scripture out of context you can interpret it any way you want.
Here it is in full context, and by the way, it's Luke 21 not 23.
Quote:Luke 21
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus had just finished describing to his disciples what the end of the world would be like.
What he means by "This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled" is that all those signs would occur within the lifetime of the generation that witness them.
(February 15, 2015 at 6:23 pm)Jenny A Wrote: And Mark 9:1
Quote:Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
So they all finagle their way around the problem differently.
That's an easy one..
Quote:Mark 9
1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Quote:Revelation 21
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm
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(February 18, 2015 at 6:13 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I suppose when you take a scripture out of context you can interpret it any way you want.
Here it is in full context, and by the way, it's Luke 21 not 23.
Quote:Luke 21
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus had just finished describing to his disciples what the end of the world would be like.
What he means by "This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled" is that all those signs would occur within the lifetime of the generation that witness them. That is not what it says, but just like all theists, because it does not reconcile with your beliefs, you must reinterpret it to validate your ideals. (Even in context)
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RE: The main points of Christianity?
February 18, 2015 at 7:47 pm
(February 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm)IATIA Wrote: (February 18, 2015 at 6:13 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I suppose when you take a scripture out of context you can interpret it any way you want.
Here it is in full context, and by the way, it's Luke 21 not 23.
Jesus had just finished describing to his disciples what the end of the world would be like.
What he means by "This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled" is that all those signs would occur within the lifetime of the generation that witness them. That is not what it says, but just like all theists, because it does not reconcile with your beliefs, you must reinterpret it to validate your ideals. (Even in context)
read it again
Quote:Luke 21
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
it says that exactly, Also Jesus stated that the world would end when the gospel was preached to all the world. Did you think was expected to be accomplished within a generation?
Quote:
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
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