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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 9:42 pm
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Creation is made from words? :/
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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Our words are a part of ourselves.
God's words are part of God, His word says the universe is held together BY His word.
It is a hard concept to see for us, since our words do not carry our personal force.
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Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 9:49 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 9:40 pm)professor Wrote: Actually, the bible says the world was created by "Word" (Jesus is the Word of God), therefore creation is not made from nothing
(though we tend to see it this way) but from God.
Our own apologists ought to state this.
AE Wilder-Smith did, to his credit.
So Jesus made everything. What did he make it out of?
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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 9:54 pm
Himself.
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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 10:16 pm
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(February 21, 2015 at 9:40 pm)professor Wrote: Actually, the bible says the world was created by "Word" (Jesus is the Word of God), therefore creation is not made from nothing
(though we tend to see it this way) but from God.
Our own apologists ought to state this.
AE Wilder-Smith did, to his credit.
You are equivocating on two kinds of "Word." The word in the Old Testament is something like the idea of Logos, or possibly like Platonic idealism. That's very different from the gospel, or the word as the transmitted truth about the existence of God. It also says, if I recall correctly, that the word was with god and is God. . . pretty esoteric stuff actually. But saying Jesus is the Word of God is goofy, unless Jesus wasn't actually a person but rather a philosophical idea (which is possible, I think).
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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 10:30 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Irrational Wrote: Just had a good think about this idea thanks to another thread. And what confuses me is that a lot of theists will argue that "out of nothing, nothing comes" but then go on to say that God created stuff from this "nothing".
They love the bald-face contradiction.
Quote:I guess what my issue with this is how is this logical
It's not even a tiny bit logical.
Quote: if "nothing" (in the philosophical sense that most theists stick to) is not meant to have any sort material from which to form anything. Nothing supposedly means no stuff, no properties, no material, etc.
If it doesn't have any properties, then it doesn't even have the property of not having something come from it.
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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 11:28 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 9:54 pm)professor Wrote: Himself.
Doesn't this sound to you like pantheism?
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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 11:32 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 9:40 pm)professor Wrote: Actually, the bible says the world was created by "Word" (Jesus is the Word of God), therefore creation is not made from nothing
(though we tend to see it this way) but from God.
Our own apologists ought to state this.
AE Wilder-Smith did, to his credit.
Genesis 1:1: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth.'
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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 21, 2015 at 11:37 pm
You're not reading it right, Boru.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: Creatio Ex Nihilo - Forming Something out of Nothing?
February 22, 2015 at 12:04 am
(February 21, 2015 at 11:37 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: You're not reading it right, Boru.
Clearly, then, this is one more instance of the Bible not meaning what it says in simple declarative sentences.
Silly, silly me.
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