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Ask a Catholic
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(July 5, 2015 at 8:18 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Which one is your god doing? Making rape happen or Letting rape happen? Pretty simple question to answer.

Allowing rape to happen.

As bad as that is, eliminating free will of all humans would be worse.
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(July 5, 2015 at 11:41 am)Randy Carson Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 8:18 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Which one is your god doing? Making rape happen or Letting rape happen? Pretty simple question to answer.

Allowing rape to happen.

As bad as that is, eliminating free will of all humans would be worse.

Why?
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Of course, it goes without saying that the free will of the victim is fucked.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Ask a Catholic
(July 5, 2015 at 11:41 am)Randy Carson Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 8:18 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Which one is your god doing? Making rape happen or Letting rape happen? Pretty simple question to answer.

Allowing rape to happen.

As bad as that is, eliminating free will of all humans would be worse.

Ya, why? Your not ok with god stopping a rapist from raping a child because it violates the rapist's free will? What about the childs free will that is being violated by the rapist?
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(July 5, 2015 at 11:47 am)Neimenovic Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 11:41 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Allowing rape to happen.

As bad as that is, eliminating free will of all humans would be worse.

Why?

(July 5, 2015 at 11:49 am)Stimbo Wrote: Of course, it goes without saying that the free will of the victim is fucked.

(July 5, 2015 at 11:49 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 11:41 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Allowing rape to happen.

As bad as that is, eliminating free will of all humans would be worse.

Ya, why? Your not ok with god stopping a rapist from raping a child because it violates the rapist's free will? What about the childs free will that is being violated by the rapist?

Let's say for the sake of argument that God did prevent the rape of one person...or prevent a murder of another. If He does that for one or two, wouldn't He be obligated to prevent every murder? Every rape? Divorce hurts people, too...what about preventing every divorce? Unemployment is bad....should God be obligated to prevent anyone from losing their job? Or falling on the playground and skinning their knees?

If God intervened in every situation that conceivably causes us pain, our lives would be so free from suffering that we would consider a hangnail to be a great injustice requiring God's intervention.

But at what point would God have to eliminate free will in order to accomplish this utopian existence? As disgusting as it is, God cannot stop the rapist or murderer without impinging on the free will of all mankind. Consequently, He allows the pain in order to respect the greater good.

And if we are not morally free to choose to rape or not rape, to kill or not kill, and we are forced to serve and obey God, why would we love Him since we had no other choice?
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(July 5, 2015 at 12:06 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 11:47 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Why?

(July 5, 2015 at 11:49 am)Stimbo Wrote: Of course, it goes without saying that the free will of the victim is fucked.

(July 5, 2015 at 11:49 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Ya, why? Your not ok with god stopping a rapist from raping a child because it violates the rapist's free will? What about the childs free will that is being violated by the rapist?

Let's say for the sake of argument that God did prevent the rape of one person...or prevent a murder of another. If He does that for one or two, wouldn't He be obligated to prevent every murder? Every rape? Divorce hurts people, too...what about preventing every divorce? Unemployment is bad....should God be obligated to prevent anyone from losing their job? Or falling on the playground and skinning their knees?

If God intervened in every situation that conceivably causes us pain, our lives would be so free from suffering that we would consider a hangnail to be a great injustice requiring God's intervention.

But at what point would God have to eliminate free will in order to accomplish this utopian existence? As disgusting as it is, God cannot stop the rapist or murderer without impinging on the free will of all mankind. Consequently, He allows the pain in order to respect the greater good.

And if we are not morally free to choose to rape or not rape, to kill or not kill, and we are forced to serve and obey God, why would we love Him since we had no other choice?
Would he have to intervene in every thing after that, why would he be obligated? It's a terrible argument, god wont stop rape because then he is obligated to fix hangnails, couldn't he just take the impulse of rape and murder away from human beings, without having to take away free will?

Why should we love a god who allows murder and rape to occur when he has the power to stop it?
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How is rape in God's plan?

Would it not be in God's plan for me to be an atheist, since he is all knowing, and he has written our future already?
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Praps if he dindt want the job he shuld have thought of that eralier.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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(July 5, 2015 at 12:06 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Let's say for the sake of argument that God did prevent the rape of one person...or prevent a murder of another. If He does that for one or two, wouldn't He be obligated to prevent every murder? Every rape? Divorce hurts people, too...what about preventing every divorce? Unemployment is bad....should God be obligated to prevent anyone from losing their job? Or falling on the playground and skinning their knees?

If God intervened in every situation that conceivably causes us pain, our lives would be so free from suffering that we would consider a hangnail to be a great injustice requiring God's intervention.

But at what point would God have to eliminate free will in order to accomplish this utopian existence? As disgusting as it is, God cannot stop the rapist or murderer without impinging on the free will of all mankind. Consequently, He allows the pain in order to respect the greater good.

And if we are not morally free to choose to rape or not rape, to kill or not kill, and we are forced to serve and obey God, why would we love Him since we had no other choice?

Randy, I know you're ignoring me (pussy) and won't see this, but maybe it'll get quoted and you'll have some food for thought.

Would you stop a murder or a rape? I would assume you would since, while I think you're a complete ass, I don't think you're evil. If you would stop a rape or a murder then you have a morality far superior to your gawd. If you wouldn't, you and your gawd deserve each other.

Your gawd is (allegedly) all powerful. Surely it could figure out a way to prevent rapists without violating their "free will."
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Why does god give us free will only to come and say how we should behave? They can never get their shit straight.
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