The right to mis-define oneself

[Longhorn]

I agree that gender dysphoria is a real thing and it's unfortunate, but it isn't what you are. I'm very happy to call you whatever you want and all the stuff that goes with it when it comes to that, but that's where I draw the line. I mean some people think they are animals trapped in human bodies, some people even think that they are mythical creatures like dragons or unicorns.

That goes under delusional, which does not apply to transgendered individuals

And some people make up their own gender identity, just browse tumblr long enough and you'll see it: i'm a pansexual, asexual, non-binary demi-girl etc. I'm not going to humour someone when they tell me they are a wolf in a human body.

Pansexual and asexual are sexual orientations, not gender identities

And while I do agree there is an unfortunate trend to label yourself with words you don't necessarily know the meaning of or that don't factually apply to you, I don't see what this has to do with gender dysphoria

Where do we draw the line when it comes to these things?

Where the line between 'delusional' and 'transgendered' is? You're putting multiple different things into the same category

There are so many misconceptions about transgendered people....its not the same as feeling you're an animal trapped in a human body, the comparison is fucking ridiculous and if I hear it again I'm gonna stab somebody

Please research what it really is before conflating it with sexual orientations, delusions and sexism:

http://transwhat.org/debunked/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_i...y_disorder
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_...istinction

There is enough hardship in GID itself without all the hurtful myths floating about

[Bad Wolf]

Dude....I agreed with you that gender dysporia is a real thing

[Longhorn]

I know, but then you went on to say people make up their gender identities and asked where we draw the line and I wanted to address that

The last part about misconceptions wasn't directed at you, sorry if I didn't make that clear, just there's been a lot of things gender dysphoria was falsely equated to in this thread and it's getting repetitive

[Bad Wolf]

I was actually backing you up, I was agreeing with you. I just wanted to say that just because someone defines themselves as something, does not mean they are right by default. Fair doos if you get it diagnosed by a professional but you can't just call yourself something and expect everyone else to agree with you. This doesn't apply to gender dysphoria because we know it's a real thing.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I also disagree with the idea that society doesn't still have gender roles in the 21st century

Women are still slut-shamed for taking ownership of their sexuality, while men are "top lads" if they sleep around. Men who don't take an interest in football (talking British football here, not American) are still looked at like "WTF happened to you?". We still have men competing with eachother in petty displays of hypermasculinity and women are still constantly judged on their physical appearance.

But yes, delude yourself we're in a post-gender society

And people still kill in the name of Allah.  Doesn't mean that we all need to stick with old stupid ideas.

I don't think Yolo is approving those facts, just pointing them out. Gender roles are still prevalent, and I think they will always be in place at one level or another, not because they are fair, but because programming tends to be handed down parent to child.

[Longhorn]

I was actually backing you up, I was agreeing with you. I just wanted to say that just because someone defines themselves as something, does not mean they are right by default. Fair doos if you get it diagnosed by a professional but you can't just call yourself something and expect everyone else to agree with you. This doesn't apply to gender dysphoria because we know it's a real thing.

Ok, looks like I misread your post, my apologies

[Regina]

I feel like this is sort of relevant to the topic at hand and I wanted to say it

Regarding some of the special snowflake tumblrina indentities (agender, pangender, omnigender, Non-Natives who appropriate the term "Two Spirit", Pansexual, demisexual, etc etc) I do feel like these are cases of mis-representation.

I think feeling you are between male and female can be real in itself, I'm sure if you can be fully trans in seeing yourself as the opposite gender, you can also see yourself as mentally between male and female. However, I feel like all these terms are, like I said, cases of special snowflake syndrome where these people are digging for attention. I saw one guy (sorry, a "demisexual androromantic pangender", let's not call them a guy in case we trigger them) on Tumblr... apparently 14 years old. Really? I barely knew I was gay at that age, you mean to tell me you've found yourself enough in life to know what all those terms are supposed to mean and that you are all of them? No no no. It's like "just" being gay or trans is too passe for these people.

This might sound petty, but I have a real problem with this. When you have people calling themselves all these unicorn identities, it's making a circus act out of the LGB and trans/gender-variant communities. People won't take the community seriously with that bollocks. It's probably part of the reason people are looking at Caitlyn Jenner (whose identity as a trans/woman truly is legitimate) with questioning eyes. It's not ok.

[bennyboy]

If you don't think a man should should be traumatized by that situation, then fuck you too.  I'm a man, and if that happened to me, I would be traumatized.  And I can speak on behalf of many of my male friends, and say that they would be, too.

That's the thing-- you don't get to say who is/isn't or should be/shouldn't be traumatized.  If you don't think the majority of men would be traumatized if their hot date turned out to have a penis, then you are either living under a rock, or a liar.

I need help. Where's the part in your horror story where the dude has something shoved up his ass against his will? Unless you insert this into your little scenario you don't have anything close to rape. Your imagined trauma is like saying you know what slavery was like because you were asked to work some overtime; there is simply no equivalence.

They are both kinds of sexual assault.  They involve an expression of one's own sexuality that one should know will cause trauma in another individual.

[bennyboy]

We have to come to the realization that gender=/=sex.

That's fine.  But you shouldn't use sex words like female or woman for the new gender idendities, because it creates confusion.  "Woman" refers to a particular kind of human organism, not to the emotional or psychological needs of a person with a penis or with non-female chromosomes.

[Cato]

One is clearly assault. The other is taking offense to an extreme.