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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 15, 2015 at 3:14 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 3:02 pm)robvalue Wrote: What am I supposed to search?
You want me to compare the Koran to science books? Or what else? I really don't know what you mean. You haven't said anything more about your method.
I've listened endlessly to religious arguments, I've heard the one you've made about 200 times before. It's not like I haven't thought about it, I've made a whole website about my thoughts. I'm raising my objections to your arguments, and you're brushing them aside. If these are your real reasons for belief, you ought to be able to support them rationally. Well what I'm I supposed to search he says for me life is an endless search and history is important and an endless sea for knowledge.
As for u'r argument I gave replies to u'r argument so repeating ourselves isn't going to help leave it out there and people will see it and decide for themselves.
Don't compare quran with science if u don't want to that's our jobs as muslims not yours but at least read it as an entity read tafsir not the modern ones necessarily read the old ones such as Ibn katheer and see how muslims understood quran in older days and compare it to these days u want find much of a difference trust me.
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 15, 2015 at 3:20 pm
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2015 at 3:21 pm by robvalue.)
Sure, I'm always looking for new knowledge. I just have no reason to think I'll find it in ancient books that have already been dissected endlessly. I take what is useful from a book and move on.
OK well, I didn't follow your replies at all, but I guess we're finished then. Thanks for the discussion 
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 3:20 pm)robvalue Wrote: Sure, I'm always looking for new knowledge. I just have no reason to think I'll find it in ancient books that have already been dissected endlessly. I take what is useful from a book and move on.
OK well, I didn't follow your replies at all, but I guess we're finished then. Thanks for the discussion Thank u too it was cool and full of knowledge for both sides I will lie if I said I didn't find anything useful in it hopefully it will be a good base to make people at least believe that they can live together no matter what they believe in.
As for not following my replies not cool dude you should or you're just arguing with yourself[emoji14]
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 15, 2015 at 3:33 pm
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No, I read your replies, I meant I didn't understand them or how they address my points. I didn't mean I wasn't reading them! I'm glad it's been interesting to you too I always like a debate.
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 15, 2015 at 3:35 pm
I am planning to start a new discussion tomorrow inchallah about ethics and morality and how it's rationalized in both sides hope you participate.
Thank you
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 15, 2015 at 3:37 pm
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Sure! Happy to
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 15, 2015 at 3:39 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 3:35 pm)huss88ein Wrote: I am planning to start a new discussion tomorrow inchallah about ethics and morality and how it's rationalized in both sides hope you participate.
Thank you
That'll be a short conversation. I can sum it up. Ethics and morality are rationalized by "both sides" in largely the same manner, the only difference is the framework one begins with.
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 15, 2015 at 4:40 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 3:05 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Wow friend at least give people a chance to leave when they want.
But if u mean the debate isn't over it is not.
I think what she meant the debate is over for her at least she had the curtsy to admit that she doesn't know everthing unlike other members here hhhhhhh.
No one is stopping anyone from leaving. It's a free forum.
There isn't any "debate". There never has been a debate, other than in the believes-in-fairy-tales minds. It is up to the believer to make their case; something they routinely fail to do. I merely pointed out flaws in her argument and drove home the point. Maybe she is new at this.
She can bow out and will hopefully get better educated on subjects she apparently knows little about. That's OK, as knowledge and critical thinking ultimately can lead to abandoning these extremely dangerous beliefs. Which is a good thing for all of us as humans.
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 16, 2015 at 4:10 am
(July 15, 2015 at 3:35 pm)huss88ein Wrote: I am planning to start a new discussion tomorrow inchallah about ethics and morality and how it's rationalized in both sides hope you participate.
Thank you
Please don't!
Do a search first... You'd be the one millionth person this month to tell us how it really is and why we're all wrong...
The only thing you can't accuse us of is putting all our eggs in the wrong basket ...
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RE: Islam is the real deal
July 16, 2015 at 5:41 am
Here's the thing.
Even if there was some powerful being or other who co-authored a book, what difference does it make? What am I supposed to do about it? It's still just a book.
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