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Heaven would be good
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RE: Heaven would be good
(December 10, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Amine Wrote: I've noticed a lot of atheists say heaven would be boring. At its worst, it might be. If it entails sitting around on a cloud with a harp singing hymns for eternity, it would really be more of a hell. But that seems like the worst version of heaven anyone could talk about (and it comes off like sour grapes). What about the best?

At best, heaven would be good beyond everyone's wildest dreams. There are a myriad of ways it could play out, some of them explored in movies like What Dreams May Come and Vanilla Sky. What if we just stuck to the known and made some tweaks? Take this world, eliminate all poverty, violence, and disease (including aging). What's left? A place of near infinite room to explore and play. I doubt I'd ever get bored.

But there are further tweaks we can make, most importantly that of our own hedonic tone. Anyone reading this is probably in a relatively neutral mood, maybe slightly above or below. Things don't have to be that way. That happiness requires sadness to contrast it is folksy psychology, and wrong. Some people are clearly consistently happier or sadder than others. Those who have done heavy doses of a psychedelic or euphoriant drug may know the true heights of the brain's emotional capacity, and believe me, they make anything one has ever experienced while sober look like a 2-dimensional gray blob of dreariness. Life on this planet could be driven by gradients of intelligent bliss.

Seems like a good thing to remain open minded about. What's the point of trying to convince oneself heaven wouldn't be the greatest thing ever? We should dream like that. Not everything about religion is a bad idea, you know.

Christians don't go to heaven because there's no heaven in the Christian religion per the Bible.  They go to the gaudy bejeweled golden cube called New Jerusalem, but only if they are members of the twelve tribes of Israel.  Read Revelation chapters 21 & 22.

The Zoroastrian religion has the type of heaven that you seem to be thinking about.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/zoroastriani...erlife.asp
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#42
RE: Heaven would be good
Who has the best version of a happy afterlife?

The Egyptian pharaohs thought that they would have all of their earthly possessions and slaves when they arose from the dead.

Some American Indians thought that they would arise in the happy hunting grounds, surrounded by tasty critters to kill and to eat.

The Mormons think that the men will become gods, each with his own world and large harem so that they can fill them with the product of their constant screwing.

The muslims think that they will end up in one of the various paradises, with a couple of translucent 90 foot tall women-type creatures who never crap.  One paradise has the guy in a 60 mile pearl shell with rivers of booze, the 90 foot tall women creatures and a harem plus a small herd of cute boys.  He has an eternal hard-on.  

The Vikings had Valhalla, with cute wenches and all the booze they could drink.  

The Christians have a 1,500 mile-sided golden bejeweled cube call New Jerusalem that has twelve pearly gates, three on each side, each one for one of the twelve tribes of Israel.  There's no  gate for the Gentiles and besides, the place has a tall wall all around it.  It's on a waterless planet that's bathed in constant light so there's no darkness at all.  That cube has to get as hot as hell.  Be sure to bring some thick sunglasses to dim the glare.

The Zoroastrian heaven sounds like the best place for the common Joe.  http://www.hinduwebsite.com/zoroastriani...erlife.asp
The problem is that you have to be born into the religion because they don't do converts.  If their heaven is the real thing then everyone else is shit out of luck (SOOL).
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