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Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
#11
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
(January 10, 2016 at 11:33 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I believe Aristotle proves God and his divinity and ultimate uniqueness. I think it's been proven for a long time.

I also find Richard Dawkins refutations of Aristotle hilarious to say nothing more.

Richard Dawkins is ill-equipped to refute Aristotle. Thankfully, Hume and Kant demonstrated that Aristotle's methods are flawed a long time ago.

You can't prove anything with pure reason, which is all Aristotle has.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#12
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
(January 10, 2016 at 11:33 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(January 10, 2016 at 11:29 am)Faith No More Wrote: What did you expect, MK?  People have been failing for centuries to provide a good argument for god.  Did you think that you could come up with something new?

I believe Aristotle proves God and his divinity and ultimate uniqueness. I think it's been proven for a long time.

I also find Richard Dawkins refutations of Aristotle hilarious to say nothing more.

If god is proven by Aristotle why are you here giving us countless piss poor attempts at arguments for the existence of god?
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#13
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
MK
All of your "explanations" have been fanciful hand-wavings. When your claims have been shown to not hold water beyond special pleading you Gish gallop to other fanciful defenses. The truth of the discussion is that you refuse to hold your "belief" to the same criteria we hold reality. Your god is precisely constructed to hid from logic and reason and you refuse to look at the ancient fiction writer's marks in the story. Allah wasn't the first god imagined by men, far from it. The stories were refined over thousands of years by men trying to come up with tweaks to the story to counter the skeptical critics who claimed other gods or other ideas. Before the stories were written in stone every questioning person was met with an evolving story. Only today are religions hampered by public written records of godly properties in bibles and qurans, so a new tactic has emerged of twisting meanings of verses to explain the absence of their gods.

If there was an allah, he would either want to get involved with our lives or he wouldn't. If he did it would be done in a damn better fashion than what we observe with the muslims or christians. There is no question about that. Wake the fk up!
Find the cure for Fundementia!
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#14
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
(January 10, 2016 at 11:45 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(January 10, 2016 at 11:33 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I believe Aristotle proves God and his divinity and ultimate uniqueness. I think it's been proven for a long time.

I also find Richard Dawkins refutations of Aristotle hilarious to say nothing more.

If god is proven by Aristotle why are you here giving us countless piss poor attempts at arguments for the existence of god?
If one medication doesn't work on a patient, you try another? Tongue
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RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
(January 10, 2016 at 11:51 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(January 10, 2016 at 11:45 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: If god is proven by Aristotle why are you here giving us countless piss poor attempts at arguments for the existence of god?
If one medication doesn't work on a patient, you try another? Tongue

You'll need a time machine with which to chase that medicine.
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#16
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
(January 10, 2016 at 11:45 am)Faith No More Wrote: You can't prove anything with pure reason, which is all Aristotle has.

Yet use reason to prove that you can't prove anything with pure reason?
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#17
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
I think it's entirely okay to believe in something unreasonable as long as it is not a harm for you or to the society you live in.
Have a good day.
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#18
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
(January 10, 2016 at 12:00 pm)pool Wrote: I think it's entirely okay to believe in something unreasonable as long as it is not a harm for you or to the society you live in.
Have a good day.

I don't think it's ok to believe anything unreasonable or reasonable for unreasonable reasons. I also don't think it's ok to disbelieve in things we should believe due to reason specially when reminded of those reasons.

Have a good day too. Smile
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#19
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
So in your view, three out of three religionists are extremely courteous to atheists online?

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#20
RE: Mock dialogue of the Theist/Atheist discussion here.
(January 10, 2016 at 12:10 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: So in your view, three out of three religionists are extremely courteous to atheists online?

No. All three can be douche bags potentially or they can be composed and courteous. Also people should not always take advice or criticism as rude or non-courteous. It depends on how it's done.

The thing is  are we going anywhere? If Theists are deluded, they won't find out this way. If Atheists are missing something or should believe, they won't find out this way either.

So either dialogue is useless in this respect for majority of Theists and Atheist a like as far as this discussion goes (not on other issues like who is invited to my party which almost no one invited me Sad and things unrelated to this discussion ), it's leading no where...


There has to be change of attitude if we are going to reach a conclusion. A more patient humble approach to the issue on both sides.
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