Women's clothes?

[popsthebuilder]

I never said that or implied except to your twisted loathsome perception.

All rapists are worse than dogs my friend.

Women who want to dress in any fashion whatsoever should be allowed just that, in a perfect world. This existence, at this moment, isn't perfect. I do not, and will not ever place my own personal worth over that of any other human. I would gladly do all in my power to stop someone from perpetrating such, freely, without self regard.

I'm sorry that my words offended you initially. I could have put it more gently, but may not have gotten the alarming attention of others.

I do not condone rape.

I condone equality and utter peace.

It really does all go back to greed. A rapist is greedy.

A woman dressing for attention is greedy.

There would be no rapists if there was humility on the potential rapists part. Potential rapists would be even less inclined to lust or greedily want if the women showed humility too, by dressing in a less sexual manner. Admittedly this really would be futile in itself. The whole way people want for themselves without regard for the well-being of other life is what has to change.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Holy shit. You're really committed to being an asshole, aren't you?  

The portion of your post that I bolded is blame-sharing, cut and dry. If you insist that women are partially responsible for being sexually assaulted, than you can't deny that you're also insisting that the criminal act of rape is, at least in part, excusable. 

So riddle me this: If you believe that the crime of rape is, at least in part, excusable-- what the fuck does that make you?

HINT: It makes you a rape apologist.

You came to this thread spouting your poisonous bullshit, without giving a thought to the impact your careless rhetoric could have on someone who is, or could be a victim of such a crime in the future; and you passed it off as guidance and enlightenment. You are wholly unqualified to illuminate the path for others in a cruel, dark world.

You are the fucking darkness.

How does discussing means at which a crime might be detoured make rape excusable.

Your logic is flawed there sweetie. Not my fault either.

Get over yourself.

You can make up stuff and draw false conclusions all you want, just don't assume (as you evidently really have a passion for) that I am advocating tape. It makes you look really desperate to paint me as some bad guy while you are the one calling people names and drawing faulty conclusions.

Again, I'm sorry you don't like the way I work things. To me political correctness is a disease. People get offended, it happens. If you think I'm going to avoid difficult to topics just incase I might hurt someone's feelings then you are sorely mistaken, much like you're mistaken about me in your assumption.

You seem fairly intelligent, so perhaps you had some traumatizing experience that has veiled your general perception. If that is the case then I am sorry for you, but I didn't do anything to you.

Perhaps we could attempt to be cordial to one another. From there, maybe you could explain your view were I could understand it. Maybe visa versa. But I do know that no one will learn anything while just throwing insults about.

So, what I'm saying is that I do apologize for offending you, and I will attempt to be less abrasive in communication with you. I hope that you are willing to set aside your bias as well.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Quit it with the subjective "arguments" and "logic" based on personal experience, Pool.

There are statistics, and there is data and evidence of women still statistically being of lower wage, at the very least on average, than men.

Stop arguing from personal experience and stop arguing using the argument from ignorance.

Personal subjective experience is not evidence.

Man, people are about to get shitty with me about this.


The "wage gap" argument is one of the reasons you and I had that argument a while back about why "feminist" isn't a label I want. What you're describing is an "earnings gap," and there are lots of factors that play into it. Men tend to work more hours and take riskier jobs with more demands, hence the higher pay grades of those jobs. When women work those same jobs for the same hours, they make the same amount.


In pretty much all of the Western world, it is illegal to pay a woman less than a man for the same work, and the stats reflect that. Women as a broad group still earn less than men during their lifetimes, but women who make the same choices and work the same jobs as men make the same pay.


Yes, I'm sure that there are still instances where employers knowingly discriminate against women, but it's far from systemic, at least in America and its peer countries. The fact is that if you work like a man, you'll earn what a man earns nine times out of ten. The reason for the earnings gap is that there are lots of women in the numbers who either don't work at all or whose work suffers because of children and/or their choice of job and lifestyle.


Oh look, I seem to have lost my umbrella. 

[Redbeard The Pink]

Holy shit. You're really committed to being an asshole, aren't you?  

The portion of your post that I bolded is blame-sharing, cut and dry. If you insist that women are partially responsible for being sexually assaulted, than you can't deny that you're also insisting that the criminal act of rape is, at least in part, excusable. 

So riddle me this: If you believe that the crime of rape is, at least in part, excusable-- what the fuck does that make you?

HINT: It makes you a rape apologist.

You came to this thread spouting your poisonous bullshit, without giving a thought to the impact your careless rhetoric could have on someone who is, or could be a victim of such a crime in the future; and you passed it off as guidance and enlightenment. You are wholly unqualified to illuminate the path for others in a cruel, dark world.

You are the fucking darkness.

How does discussing means at which a crime might be detoured make rape excusable.

Your logic is flawed there sweetie. Not my fault either.

Get over yourself.

You can make up stuff and draw false conclusions all you want, just don't assume (as you evidently really have a passion for) that I am advocating tape. It makes you look really desperate to paint me as some bad guy while you are the one calling people names and drawing faulty conclusions.

Again, I'm sorry you don't like the way I work things. To me political correctness is a disease. People get offended, it happens. If you think I'm going to avoid difficult to topics just incase I might hurt someone's feelings then you are sorely mistaken, much like you're mistaken about me in your assumption.

You seem fairly intelligent, so perhaps you had some traumatizing experience that has veiled your general perception. If that is the case then I am sorry for you, but I didn't do anything to you.

Perhaps we could attempt to be cordial to one another. From there, maybe you could explain your view were I could understand it. Maybe visa versa. But I do know that no one will learn anything while just throwing insults about.

So, what I'm saying is that I do apologize for offending you, and I will attempt to be less abrasive in communication with you. I hope that you are willing to set aside your bias as well.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

We've been over this. Modesty does not "detour" rape, you sick, stupid fuck.


If there were a merciful god, he'd be keeping you away from the public.

[FatAndFaithless]

Your logic is flawed there sweetie. Not my fault either.


You seem fairly intelligent, so perhaps you had some traumatizing experience that has veiled your general perception.

Well aren't you just a perfect example of unmitigated asshattery.

[GrandizerII]

Quit it with the subjective "arguments" and "logic" based on personal experience, Pool.

There are statistics, and there is data and evidence of women still statistically being of lower wage, at the very least on average, than men.

Stop arguing from personal experience and stop arguing using the argument from ignorance.

Personal subjective experience is not evidence.

Man, people are about to get shitty with me about this.


The "wage gap" argument is one of the reasons you and I had that argument a while back about why "feminist" isn't a label I want. What you're describing is an "earnings gap," and there are lots of factors that play into it. Men tend to work more hours and take riskier jobs with more demands, hence the higher pay grades of those jobs. When women work those same jobs for the same hours, they make the same amount.


In pretty much all of the Western world, it is illegal to pay a woman less than a man for the same work, and the stats reflect that. Women as a broad group still earn less than men during their lifetimes, but women who make the same choices and work the same jobs as men make the same pay.


Yes, I'm sure that there are still instances where employers knowingly discriminate against women, but it's far from systemic, at least in America and its peer countries. The fact is that if you work like a man, you'll earn what a man earns nine times out of ten. The reason for the earnings gap is that there are lots of women in the numbers who either don't work at all or whose work suffers because of children and/or their choice of job and lifestyle.


Oh look, I seem to have lost my umbrella. 

Here's a link for you:
http://www.aauw.org/files/2015/09/The-Si...l-2015.pdf

Page 8 if you don't wish to read the whole thing.

[popsthebuilder]

How does discussing means at which a crime might be detoured make rape excusable.

Your logic is flawed there sweetie. Not my fault either.

Get over yourself.

You can make up stuff and draw false conclusions all you want, just don't assume (as you evidently really have a passion for) that I am advocating tape. It makes you look really desperate to paint me as some bad guy while you are the one calling people names and drawing faulty conclusions.

Again, I'm sorry you don't like the way I work things. To me political correctness is a disease. People get offended, it happens. If you think I'm going to avoid difficult to topics just incase I might hurt someone's feelings then you are sorely mistaken, much like you're mistaken about me in your assumption.

You seem fairly intelligent, so perhaps you had some traumatizing experience that has veiled your general perception. If that is the case then I am sorry for you, but I didn't do anything to you.

Perhaps we could attempt to be cordial to one another. From there, maybe you could explain your view were I could understand it. Maybe visa versa. But I do know that no one will learn anything while just throwing insults about.

So, what I'm saying is that I do apologize for offending you, and I will attempt to be less abrasive in communication with you. I hope that you are willing to set aside your bias as well.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

We've been over this. Modesty does not "detour" rape, you sick, stupid fuck.


If there were a merciful god, he'd be keeping you away from the public.

If you think avoiding a scenario with a higher probability of crime is equivalent to putting yourself in harm's way then you are wrong.

Humility on a universal level would stop all crime.

Is it an idealistic view? Yes.

Is it a false statement? No.

Your name calling is not warranted, or productive towards understanding, or needed for understanding.

Any three year old can call names when they don't get their way. Definitely doesn't make then right though.



Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Why are they so skimpy these days? Is it proof that global warming is happening?

Or is it just a shift in our values, that unlike in olden days, society favors women who "bare it all" before a good and wholesome marriage?

I do fear the role models women have. Why is it that Taylor Swift, Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus are models for todays ladies?

Why is this woman not a female role model or really revered at all anymore?  http://www.catholictradition.org/Litanies/litany37.jpg


Answers please!!

It will all start to make sense to you when you accept the fact that you secretly want to wear skimpy women's clothes but aren't allowed.

[Heat]

Why are they so skimpy these days? Is it proof that global warming is happening?

Or is it just a shift in our values, that unlike in olden days, society favors women who "bare it all" before a good and wholesome marriage?

I do fear the role models women have. Why is it that Taylor Swift, Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus are models for todays ladies?

Why is this woman not a female role model or really revered at all anymore?  http://www.catholictradition.org/Litanies/litany37.jpg


Answers please!!

It will all start to make sense to you when you accept the fact that you secretly want to wear skimpy women's clothes but aren't allowed.

Seems to prove his point. 

Why isn't he allowed?

[The Valkyrie]

You're kidding me, right?

What part of "Me? None. But I'm not talking about me." isn't clear in my response above?

Also why "women must be paid less than their Men counterparts"?

They work the same job, they do the same hours, why *must* women get paid less?

I DO speak out against the inequality men experience when it comes to their treatment under law.  I also speak out against male genital mutilation (circumcision).  Why would you ASSUME that I don't?

But this thread is about the way women dress and how they're often treated within society.   And that's what I'm addressing.

If you want to take it off on a tangent, go right ahead.  I'll continue addressing the thread as I've been arguing in the past 40 or so pages.

Exactly.
Women are not paid less. This is a myth. Can you name 1 woman that you know personally(and I don't mean saw her at farmer's market once personally) is working the same job as a man but is getting paid less than a male that is doing the same job? You yourself have confirmed that this is not the case. Yet you claim that unequal pay is a serious inequality among women? That's what I meant to point out to you. Secondly, I didn't assume that you did not speak against inequalities against men, if you do then - good on you.

What feminists mean by pay inequality when they say "Women are paid less than Men" is the collective money women make is less than the collective money men make. The use of "pay inequality" in this context itself is highly misleading and ultimately gives the impression that women are being discriminated against - when they aren't. Furthermore it is illegal for a company to even exercise lesser pay to women - if you know any such company then sue the shit out of them - although I'm skeptical you will find any company like that.
It's like saying, since students with higher IQ's are the majority of students in high profile schools and colleges - Colleges and schools are creating a discrimination against students with lower IQ's - which isn't the case.
Anyway, lets go back to Women's Clothes. Don't want to further get off topic.

Many women are paid less for the same job and the same hours.  Don't bullshit me.

Personally, yes I DO know women in that EXACT circumstance.

I myself spoke that this is not the case?  BULLSHIT.

I said it was not the case for ME!

Is that hard to understand?

I, as a professional working woman, am NOT representative of working women as a whole.

[Heat]

Exactly.
Women are not paid less. This is a myth. Can you name 1 woman that you know personally(and I don't mean saw her at farmer's market once personally) is working the same job as a man but is getting paid less than a male that is doing the same job? You yourself have confirmed that this is not the case. Yet you claim that unequal pay is a serious inequality among women? That's what I meant to point out to you. Secondly, I didn't assume that you did not speak against inequalities against men, if you do then - good on you.

What feminists mean by pay inequality when they say "Women are paid less than Men" is the collective money women make is less than the collective money men make. The use of "pay inequality" in this context itself is highly misleading and ultimately gives the impression that women are being discriminated against - when they aren't. Furthermore it is illegal for a company to even exercise lesser pay to women - if you know any such company then sue the shit out of them - although I'm skeptical you will find any company like that.
It's like saying, since students with higher IQ's are the majority of students in high profile schools and colleges - Colleges and schools are creating a discrimination against students with lower IQ's - which isn't the case.
Anyway, lets go back to Women's Clothes. Don't want to further get off topic.

Many women are paid less for the same job and the same hours.  Don't bullshit me.

Personally, yes I DO know women in that EXACT circumstance.

I myself spoke that this is not the case?  BULLSHIT.

I said it was not the case for ME!

Is that hard to understand?

I, as a professional working woman, am NOT representative of working women as a whole.

Back up these statements with evidence instead of trying to pass off strong worded subjective personal experience based claims as objective ones(being that women earn lower wages for the same work).  You say you aren't representative of the majority, yet claim many women are paid less for the same hours as if it is representative of the entire populous. 

You did this to me earlier as well where you respond by saying "No don't bullshit me, I'm right aren't I." thinking it's somehow disproven the content of what you're replying to, when in actuality is simply giving unbacked confirmation bias to the people reading it.