(January 18, 2016 at 10:49 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 10:31 pm)pool the great Wrote: What kind of inequality do you have to face in your day to day life?

Me? None.

But I'm not talking about me.  And just because it doesn't happen to me, doesn't mean I can't support others.

Others: Pay inequality, objectification, unwanted sexual comments and come ons, etc.

Exactly.
But you're a women aren't you? Women must be paid less than their Men counterparts. How much less money are they paying you? Since you mention is as another issue of women.

See, I think you're confusing shitty human behavior for inequality against women. Want to see real inequality? Go to family courts and see how men are raped by law. That's real inequality, and if you're really against inequality you should be fighting against that too.

Think of it like this, what does law permit a man to do that it doesn't permit a women to do? See this is inequality. I'm doubtful you can give me any examples regarding this.

(January 18, 2016 at 10:59 pm)pool the great Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 10:49 pm)Beccs Wrote: Me? None.

But I'm not talking about me.  And just because it doesn't happen to me, doesn't mean I can't support others.

Others: Pay inequality, objectification, unwanted sexual comments and come ons, etc.

Exactly.
But you're a women aren't you? Women must be paid less than their Men counterparts. How much less money are they paying you? Since you mention is as another issue of women.

See, I think you're confusing shitty human behavior for inequality against women. Want to see real inequality? Go to family courts and see how men are raped by law. That's real inequality, and if you're really against inequality you should be fighting against that too.

Think of it like this, what does law permit a man to do that it doesn't permit a women to do? See this is inequality. I'm doubtful you can give me any examples regarding this.

You're kidding me, right?

What part of "Me? None. But I'm not talking about me." isn't clear in my response above?

Also why "women must be paid less than their Men counterparts"?

They work the same job, they do the same hours, why *must* women get paid less?

I DO speak out against the inequality men experience when it comes to their treatment under law.  I also speak out against male genital mutilation (circumcision).  Why would you ASSUME that I don't?

But this thread is about the way women dress and how they're often treated within society.   And that's what I'm addressing.

If you want to take it off on a tangent, go right ahead.  I'll continue addressing the thread as I've been arguing in the past 40 or so pages.

(January 18, 2016 at 10:31 pm)pool the great Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 3:08 pm)Beccs Wrote: Nor I.

There's a difference between wanting equality and thinking you're superior to men.

What kind of inequality do you have to face in your day to day life?

I can't speak for Beccs, but I have to face the mismatch between how your posts used to be sort of okay to me but lately they seem either trollish or, to understate it, 'unenlightened'.

#beingkindofadickishturtle #apologies #sortof #maybe #myrudeness #mypoliteness

I gave up trying to reason with this guy after one post.

(January 18, 2016 at 11:07 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 10:59 pm)pool the great Wrote: Exactly.
But you're a women aren't you? Women must be paid less than their Men counterparts. How much less money are they paying you? Since you mention is as another issue of women.

See, I think you're confusing shitty human behavior for inequality against women. Want to see real inequality? Go to family courts and see how men are raped by law. That's real inequality, and if you're really against inequality you should be fighting against that too.

Think of it like this, what does law permit a man to do that it doesn't permit a women to do? See this is inequality. I'm doubtful you can give me any examples regarding this.

You're kidding me, right?

What part of "Me? None. But I'm not talking about me." isn't clear in my response above?

Also why "women must be paid less than their Men counterparts"?

They work the same job, they do the same hours, why *must* women get paid less?

I DO speak out against the inequality men experience when it comes to their treatment under law.  I also speak out against male genital mutilation (circumcision).  Why would you ASSUME that I don't?

But this thread is about the way women dress and how they're often treated within society.   And that's what I'm addressing.

If you want to take it off on a tangent, go right ahead.  I'll continue addressing the thread as I've been arguing in the past 40 or so pages.

Exactly.
Women are not paid less. This is a myth. Can you name 1 woman that you know personally(and I don't mean saw her at farmer's market once personally) is working the same job as a man but is getting paid less than a male that is doing the same job? You yourself have confirmed that this is not the case. Yet you claim that unequal pay is a serious inequality among women? That's what I meant to point out to you. Secondly, I didn't assume that you did not speak against inequalities against men, if you do then - good on you.

What feminists mean by pay inequality when they say "Women are paid less than Men" is the collective money women make is less than the collective money men make. The use of "pay inequality" in this context itself is highly misleading and ultimately gives the impression that women are being discriminated against - when they aren't. Furthermore it is illegal for a company to even exercise lesser pay to women - if you know any such company then sue the shit out of them - although I'm skeptical you will find any company like that.
It's like saying, since students with higher IQ's are the majority of students in high profile schools and colleges - Colleges and schools are creating a discrimination against students with lower IQ's - which isn't the case.
Anyway, lets go back to Women's Clothes. Don't want to further get off topic.

Quit it with the subjective "arguments" and "logic" based on personal experience, Pool.

There are statistics, and there is data and evidence of women still statistically being of lower wage, at the very least on average, than men.

Stop arguing from personal experience and stop arguing using the argument from ignorance.

Personal subjective experience is not evidence.

(January 19, 2016 at 4:13 am)Evie Wrote: Quit it with the subjective "arguments" and "logic" based on personal experience, Pool.

There are statistics, and there is data and evidence of women still statistically being of lower wage, at the very least on average, than men.

Stop arguing from personal experience and stop arguing using the argument from ignorance.

Personal subjective experience is not evidence.

Ah, my bad, I should've posted sources. Here you go, just one among many others:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-p...lete-myth/

(January 19, 2016 at 4:13 am)Evie Wrote: Quit it with the subjective "arguments" and "logic" based on personal experience, Pool.

There are statistics, and there is data and evidence of women still statistically being of lower wage, at the very least on average, than men.

Stop arguing from personal experience and stop arguing using the argument from ignorance.

Personal subjective experience is not evidence.

Quite honestly,  Evie,  I think most of the statistics are outdated. I've heard a lot of people point out the fact that there really isn't a gender pay gap anymore, and the statistics proving one are either flat out wrong or outdated. I'm not saying if there is one, it's justified, I'm simply saying I don't think it exists anymore, at least not in a very impactful way(obviously the pay per dollar comparison will never be dead even, it will vary a few cents on either side).

(January 19, 2016 at 4:27 am)pool the great Wrote:

(January 19, 2016 at 4:13 am)Evie Wrote: Quit it with the subjective "arguments" and "logic" based on personal experience, Pool.

There are statistics, and there is data and evidence of women still statistically being of lower wage, at the very least on average, than men.

Stop arguing from personal experience and stop arguing using the argument from ignorance.

Personal subjective experience is not evidence.

Ah, my bad, I should've posted sources. Here you go, just one among many others:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-p...lete-myth/

That's an article from 2011, which doesn't suffice as evidence.