The Problem with Christians

[abaris]

I wonder, have I asked this before? What's your proof for the supernatural existing?

[Foxaèr]

God could have made humanity with no free will. He could have created a bunch of automatons who never ever choose to do anything wrong. I would ask, what would be the point of that when you are a relational being?

Now if freewill is in play, God cannot continually thwart the bad people from doing their evil deeds otherwise freewill ceases to exist. I have reconciled the fact that this is the way things are. For many it seems terribly unfair. I understand that.

Could have

If god is so great, doesn't he want his creations to be the best?

If god is as powerful as he is, he can absolutely thwart evil. In fact, that would be the precise act of any god. I suppose we create super heroes to thwart the evil that the creation of god could not accomplish.

[AJW333]

Universe (n.)
1580s, "the whole world, cosmos, the totality of existing things," from Old French univers (12c.), from Latin universum "all things, everybody, all people, the whole world," noun use of neuter of adjective universus "all together, all in one, whole, entire, relating to all," literally "turned into one," from unus "one" (see one) + versus, past participle of vertere "to turn" (see versus).

Isaiah 45:11-12
"It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host (stars).

[Foxaèr]

Isaiah 45:11-12
"It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host (stars).

Sorry, that means nothing.

A biblical quote has no relevance in reality.

[AJW333]

If I don't answer your posts immediately, it is because I am still replying to those on page 25. So bear with me as I try to catch up.

[Ravenshire]

That passage is gobbledycock.  (I just wanted an excuse to say cock.)

Poppycock would have worked just as well, and it is a real word.  

Yeah, but gobbledycock is way sexier.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

so you are declaring that life never came from non-life, and that is begging the question.

Not at all. In the beginning God created life from the dust and then imbued all life with the capacity to reproduce after its own kind. This became the rule, or the law of how life was continued from that point on. There really is no conflict.

Tell me, if you believe in abiogenesis without there being any scientific proof of it, how is that not faith?

Perhaps someone should contact the accreditation folks and tell them that a university let one of theirs got away with a degree in science and a failure to understand the difference between tentatively accepting something as "most plausible" and a faith-decree. If you truly can't understand what "I believe this only to the degree it has been proven" means, then you're not a scientist, no matter what your degree says.

Abiogenesis seems to violate none of the principles we understand about the universe, while magical creation from the clay does violate several things we know about the universe. Your version literally requires magic (which you call divine creation, of course, but it's still magic), while ours is an attempt to offer a plausible explanation based on the physics/chemistry laws with which we are currently familiar.

When it is proven, then we will accept it as proven. Right now, it is merely suggested, and we're comfortable with that.

The "reproduce after its own kind" schtick is meaningless, and you would know that if you actually studied biology. In fact, it's a concept with so many grey areas that we have trouble actually defining what constitutes a species, let alone a new species or a divergence among a genetically-reproducing population.

[abaris]

AJW333, did I ask you recently what your proof for the supernatural is? Or is it my mind playing tricks on me?

You know, evidence, as in scientific evidence.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

This liar does not have a science degree unless he found one in a cereal box.

[abaris]

This liar does not have a science degree unless he found one in a cereal box.

My money is on christian college. About as helpful as used toiled paper in the real world.