GMO vs Organic

[Clueless Morgan]

Don't eat GMO!

It's designed to make men impotent and weak as part of the agenda of feminists to take over the planet at the behest of their Illuminated Overlords and the Reptilians.

(SSSSHHHH!!!! You're not supposed to tell this to people who haven't been properly initiated into the Feminazi Inner Sanctum!!)

[Joods]

As always whenever someone brings up GMOs and Monsanto, I feel the need to make the statement: Don't conflate Monsanto's shady and otherwise sketchy business practices with the safety/efficacy/efficiency of GMOs. The actions of the corporation say nothing about the science behind their products.

No kidding. Did you not read anything I wrote? I mean, my apologies if you aren't accusing me of comparing GMOs and Monsanto. But if you are, then I urge you to read my posts again because that's not what I'm doing.

[scoobysnack]

Well sure it's a marketing term, but what it refers to is the healthiest foods in each category, mainly vegetables and fruits.

No it doesn't. And there's no such thing as a "healthiest" food. Humans require a diverse diet, made up of a number of food groups. No one food contains complete nutrition, and no one food from food group A can replace nutrients from food group B.

Here's a link for you containing qualified advice at the Dietitians Association of Australia:

I don't disagree (had to edit because I accidentally typed agree haha must have been a Freudian slip. I actually agree with what you wrote.) with anything you said or what I read in your link. A well balanced diet is essential. What I'm saying is there are healthier foods then others. For example relying on potatoes to fill your quota of vegetable servings is not the way to go. Some vegetables are better then others. This is the link of 100 of the healthiest foods, and they show the vitamin and mineral content of each to compare from all the food groups.

http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

For example, if you are preparing a salad, kale and spinach are more nutrient dense then iceberg lettuce or romaine. Kale would be considered a super food in that category, while iceberg lettuce is still good but not as good as kale.

Also eating at fast food restaurants is not a good idea then eating fresh food without all the additives. Even the quality of food at McDonalds in Australia is different and better then what McDonalds has in the US. Your country I think bans quite a bit of food we eat here. I'd have to look that up, but I know quite a bit of foods are banned in other countries that we eat here. We are trying to get them to change, and have had success, but still the USDA has a lot of lobbyests giving a lot of money to keep it the way the corporations want it to be to save costs of food production.

[scoobysnack]

It is my understanding that when Montsano first showed up on the scene, their idea for GMO's was that it would be able to feed massive nations in third world countries.

I'm fine with that.

What many people were not told about, however, is the fact that Monsanto put a patent on the crops and then proceeded to sue small farmers who didn't want GMO seeds. They were sued because when samples of the small farmers crops and seeds were taken, GMO evidence turned up. Montsano claimed those farmers were stealing GMO seeds and using them in their fields. The problem is that winds would carry some of those seeds to other areas, thus causing cross contamination (for lack of a better word). Small farmers don't have the money for expensive lawyers like the big corporations do, so the small farmer was sued and lost.

This is my understanding of the outrage behind Montsano. And the real reason they sued was because some farmers didn't want to be a part of genetically modified food. GMO seeds can be found in nearly every type of crop grown in the US. Montsano holds a patent on those seeds so they can literally control the food production in this country.

As I said, I personally don't have an issue with GMOs in general. What I take issue with the Montsano Corporation and their lack of ethics on the matter.

That's exactly the case. They say it was started to grow vegetables in environments that couldn't normally support farming, which is a good thing. It was meant to support the food production for the poor. A noble agenda! Problem is they also made suicide seeds so instead of being able to harvest the seeds from the previous years crop to grow the next season like has existed from the beginning of agriculture, now you have to keep buying new seed every season. On top of that like you mentioned the wind would pollinate and contaminate non gmo monsanto crops with the roundup resistant strain, and then Monsanto sues the farmer, and basically pressures all farmers to buy the seeds. 

Then look at all the rich, and how they only eat organic. It's not because they are rich enough to afford organic, it's because of something else. It's safer, since it will still take a couple more generations before the full effects of gmo food supply are tested in the real world on the human population. 

The communist Chinese government has private farms of all organic food to feed the leadership, while they promote GMO for the rest of the population.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MG07Ad02.html

The same with leadership of the rest of the world, including the UK, and the US presidents family.

[Aractus]

It is true that GMO technology is not the same as selective breeding techniques; it is a faster way to achieve the same, or similar, results.

No, it's a faster way to achieve the same goal. We don't know for certain what the results are. Look, inserting genes that have been previously selected by evolution to be scrapped and putting them back in is hardly a straightforward move. You're intentionally undoing what evolution was doing.

[Aractus]

What I'm saying is there are healthier foods then others. For example relying on potatoes to fill your quota of vegetable servings is not the way to go. Some vegetables are better then others. This is the link of 100 of the healthiest foods, and they show the vitamin and mineral content of each to compare from all the food groups.

http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

For example, if you are preparing a salad, kale and spinach are more nutrient dense then iceberg lettuce or romaine. Kale would be considered a super food in that category, while iceberg lettuce is still good but not as good as kale.

You do realise that potatoes are listed on your list as "one of the world's 100 healthiest foods" don't you? There are plenty of other foods not on your list that are just as healthy or healthier than what's there. Kangaroo meat for example - okay sure, you're in the USA, so how about Venison which is leaner than Beef? How about Horse meat - also much leaner than Beef. There's no consistency at all in that list, the foods they've chosen are arbitrary.

Also eating at fast food restaurants is not a good idea then eating fresh food without all the additives. Even the quality of food at McDonalds in Australia is different and better then what McDonalds has in the US. Your country I think bans quite a bit of food we eat here. I'd have to look that up, but I know quite a bit of foods are banned in other countries that we eat here. We are trying to get them to change, and have had success, but still the USDA has a lot of lobbyests giving a lot of money to keep it the way the corporations want it to be to save costs of food production.

We don't ban any foods - there might be a few artificial additives that are banned here but not in the USA, and products have to meet certain standards. For example baby formula has to meet specific requirements, and if the product falls below what's expected then it'll be "banned" until it's fixed (even if the exact same product continues to be available in other places such as your country).

There are a lot of really good restaurants - especially here in Canberra - that serve a huge variety of healthy meals. Fast food yes is something associated with obesity, but it's the food itself that's the problem not the ability to purchase it. There's plenty of healthier fast food options as well.

[scoobysnack]

What I'm saying is there are healthier foods then others. For example relying on potatoes to fill your quota of vegetable servings is not the way to go. Some vegetables are better then others. This is the link of 100 of the healthiest foods, and they show the vitamin and mineral content of each to compare from all the food groups.

http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

For example, if you are preparing a salad, kale and spinach are more nutrient dense then iceberg lettuce or romaine. Kale would be considered a super food in that category, while iceberg lettuce is still good but not as good as kale.

You do realise that potatoes are listed on your list as "one of the world's 100 healthiest foods" don't you? There are plenty of other foods not on your list that are just as healthy or healthier than what's there. Kangaroo meat for example - okay sure, you're in the USA, so how about Venison which is leaner than Beef? How about Horse meat - also much leaner than Beef. There's no consistency at all in that list, the foods they've chosen are arbitrary.

Also eating at fast food restaurants is not a good idea then eating fresh food without all the additives. Even the quality of food at McDonalds in Australia is different and better then what McDonalds has in the US. Your country I think bans quite a bit of food we eat here. I'd have to look that up, but I know quite a bit of foods are banned in other countries that we eat here. We are trying to get them to change, and have had success, but still the USDA has a lot of lobbyests giving a lot of money to keep it the way the corporations want it to be to save costs of food production.

We don't ban any foods - there might be a few artificial additives that are banned here but not in the USA, and products have to meet certain standards. For example baby formula has to meet specific requirements, and if the product falls below what's expected then it'll be "banned" until it's fixed (even if the exact same product continues to be available in other places such as your country).

There are a lot of really good restaurants - especially here in Canberra - that serve a huge variety of healthy meals. Fast food yes is something associated with obesity, but it's the food itself that's the problem not the ability to purchase it. There's plenty of healthier fast food options as well.

Hmm you do make some good points regarding venison and other rare meets like kangaroo. How does kangaroo taste? Alligator and shark for that matter which I've only had in restaurants while on vacation isn't bad, but also not part of my normal diet at least where I live in norther US. I still can't wait to taste bald eagle haha. Look up an article about foods banned in Australia, and let me know if it's true. wouldn't be the first time the internet is lying.

I just looked up some popular foods in Australia, and they are different then we eat here. Not judging, but just different. What's a popular dish in Australia, that is your favorite? If I had to say something unique to Wisconsin where I live I'd say is cheese curds, or fried cheese curds. Not healthy, but something you will find where I live. We eat a lot of brats also, and beer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese_curd

[Joods]

HI still can't wait to taste bald eagle haha.

Bad, bad American. j/k

[Aractus]

I'll give you an example of where organic is not better - and I assume that the same rules apply in the USA as the ones we have here. Wheat-flour used for bread-making is fortified with folic acid - the artificial form of folate. That fortification is mandatory in the USA and Australia and other places, but does not apply to organic wheat flour because folic acid is artificial.

[Joods]

In the US, the "sperm" of the wheat kernel is removed when making flour that is considered all-purpose. This is really stupid because then the manufacturer has to "enrich" the flour with what they removed from it.

And for flour to be considered 100% whole wheat, that kernel must remain during the milling process.

Hey! My education in pastry arts from 15 years ago, finally paid off! With this post!