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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 10, 2016 at 2:58 am
Is there any point to those letters? Seem like a waste of ink to me. Some say Allah is deliberately trying to confuse people with those letters.
By the way, some of the Tafsir scholars died before the Hadith were codified into the collections we know today (e.g. Kutub al-Sittah for Sunnis). It's plausible to assume that disagreements they had aren't only due to Hadith because the Hadith we know today didn't exist in their time. e.g. al-Bukhari hadn't even been born when Ibn Abbass was writing.
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 10, 2016 at 3:17 am
(June 10, 2016 at 2:58 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Some say Allah is deliberately trying to confuse people with those letters.
Well, we know one thing for sure.
"Someone" is deliberately trying to confuse people with those letters.
possibly not the sky fairy?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 10, 2016 at 4:03 am
(June 10, 2016 at 3:17 am)ignoramus Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 2:58 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Some say Allah is deliberately trying to confuse people with those letters.
Well, we know one thing for sure.
"Someone" is deliberately trying to confuse people with those letters.
possibly not the sky fairy?
Well the argument goes something like this: "Allah out those combinations of letters in the Quran to be like "Ha! You can't know everything. I put these letters in and you can't make what the mean." it's supposed to be humbling, apparently.
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 10, 2016 at 4:52 am
(June 6, 2016 at 6:41 am)Spinchance Wrote: Islam will never have a case, it is not the word of any God.
The Quran, Islam, cannot be true because it was Mohammed who introduced the Quran to this world.
Islam was spread by the sword.
Forced conversions and Jihad are void of Divine reason and as such they are against God's nature.
God has interacted with us through the "Logos"* and Logos means Reason and Word, not sword.
The sword is simply not part of God's sunnah.
The god you believe in? He's just as real as allah. All the gods are creations of human imagination, reflections of our worst impluses and basest desires. That's why they tend to act like spoiled children.
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 10, 2016 at 5:57 am
(June 10, 2016 at 4:52 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: (June 6, 2016 at 6:41 am)Spinchance Wrote: Islam will never have a case, it is not the word of any God.
The Quran, Islam, cannot be true because it was Mohammed who introduced the Quran to this world.
Islam was spread by the sword.
Forced conversions and Jihad are void of Divine reason and as such they are against God's nature.
God has interacted with us through the "Logos"* and Logos means Reason and Word, not sword.
The sword is simply not part of God's sunnah.
The god you believe in? He's just as real as allah. All the gods are creations of human imagination, reflections of our worst impluses and basest desires. That's why they tend to act like spoiled children.
Who said I believe in any God? 
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 10, 2016 at 8:01 am
(June 10, 2016 at 5:57 am)Spinchance Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 4:52 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: The god you believe in? He's just as real as allah. All the gods are creations of human imagination, reflections of our worst impluses and basest desires. That's why they tend to act like spoiled children.
Who said I believe in any God?
The words you posted that I replied to are strong evidence you believe in some form of god and give characteristics for it.
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 10, 2016 at 11:18 am
(June 10, 2016 at 8:01 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 5:57 am)Spinchance Wrote: Who said I believe in any God?
The words you posted that I replied to are strong evidence you believe in some form of god and give characteristics for it.
Ha ha, you got it wrong Constable.
When the finger points to the Moon, the idiot looks at the finger.
Only joking. 
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 11, 2016 at 5:18 am
(June 10, 2016 at 11:18 am)Spinchance Wrote: (June 10, 2016 at 8:01 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: The words you posted that I replied to are strong evidence you believe in some form of god and give characteristics for it.
Ha ha, you got it wrong Constable.
When the finger points to the Moon, the idiot looks at the finger.
Only joking.
When the fooll composes hiz words badly, he blames others for taking those words at face value.
Not joking.
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 11, 2016 at 10:15 am
(June 10, 2016 at 2:58 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Is there any point to those letters? Seem like a waste of ink to me. Some say Allah is deliberately trying to confuse people with those letters.
By the way, some of the Tafsir scholars died before the Hadith were codified into the collections we know today (e.g. Kutub al-Sittah for Sunnis). It's plausible to assume that disagreements they had aren't only due to Hadith because the Hadith we know today didn't exist in their time. e.g. al-Bukhari hadn't even been born when Ibn Abbass was writing.
Mere traps; MNMP, in my opinion:
Quote:Atlas wrote:
It was meant to be like this; I call them "traps", for example:
Why would a person, leave the filled half of the cup and focus on the empty one, unless he wanted to tyranically control others be unique?
There are mainly 2 types if Tafsir:
1-Hadith based
2-Opinion based
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%83%D8%...9%8A%D8%B1
Quote:لاعتبار الأول: من حيث المصادر التي يستمد منها التفسير، وهو بهذا الاعتبار ينقسم إلى قسمين، تفسير بالمأثور، وتفسير بالرأي، ويدخل تحت التفسير بالرأي كل أنواع التفسير بالرأي المحمود، والمذموم، بسائر اتجاهاته الفقهية، والصوفية، والبلاغية، والأدبية، والموضوعية، والتحليلية، والإجمالية، والعلمية، وغير ذلك.
(The English article doesn't contain this bit); the bold part is what I wrote above; Hadith based tafsir, and opinion based tafsir.
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
June 11, 2016 at 12:34 pm
I actually think opinion based Tafsir are just as bad. People will be biased by their prejudices and people who have influenced the person will have made their mark. The time period and society people are writing is also important to consider.
And I'll say it again: This is why Allah needs to release a volume of Tafsir. Not only would it clear any doubts and disagreements, such an event would cause me to recite Shahada right away. I would love it if Allah release some reading material in English.
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