Best Qur'an?

[RozKek]

Just ignore that one   Let's cut it here, we won't be convincing each other.

Have a good one my friend

You too.

[WinterHold]

I'm not sure any translation can make the Qu'ran anything less then an extremely boring read.

The version of the Qu'ran that I read was a modern translation by Muslim Arabic authors. I thought the footnotes were very very apologetic to the point of possibly being misleading. There were footnotes to everything that sounded bad or stupid or horrific to explain what it actually meant, despite what it seemed to be translated as. To the point it was kind of humorous and if you knew the bible stories that it was ripped off of, you could see right through that. Mostly I thought it was just very boring and tedious.

Note, only 20% of Muslims speak arabic, so most people are dealing with translations. So when Muslims say 'you don't understand unless you speak Arabic' they are saying 80% of Muslims can't understand their own religion.

If you seek fun; go watch a movie or read some comics; The Walking Dead are pretty good:

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Now THAT is fun

So the Quran is pretty much a book that causes the skin of the reader to go chilling from fear, then after few verses comes to be smooth; wishing to read more and more about the author:

( Sura 39 Verse 23 )   Allah has sent down the best statement: a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah. That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide.

In other words; the book is not a new season of Games of Thrones. This is some teenage mentality right there, or worse: a child's mentality; we usually try to represent facts in a "game" or a "colorful volume" so kinder garden kids don't get "bored" during learning, I thought you're bigger than that !

Anyhow ><

Bella Morte

I'm actually surprised at that. Huh, you learn something new everyday.  

Arabs are a minority within Muslims. Thankfully, I was born with the native tongue, so I can read the book in its native language. It's about the meaning, not the flow. Arabs though have truly wasted years and mountains of gold without concluding a sharp translation, I'm discovering disasters in the text I track and read in English translations. 

Rhythm 

Why are you orange?

A faithful man might tell you that you're worshiping the creation rather than the creator, in the above.  I'm no such man...lol, I understand.  There's enough wonder in this world for me as well, so I don't concern myself with djinn.  However, since you're in the mood of accepting what errors you may make in rationalization, you've just committed a couple more.

You've grossly equivocated upon the term miracle in order to set up a non-sequitur in which the existence of kittens somehow speaks to the truth of allah. It's a simple mistake that cheapens your faith and undermines it's basis as a rational proposition.

Did they throw a spell on you in the Middle East or something? many Arabs believe that Jinn haunt houses, just like ghosts.

Not trying to sidetrack:

Why am I worshiping a creation? The Quran is a mere message that define my Lord in his own words; and contains important messages for me to advocate and live by.

Think about kittens for a moment: a big bang, that spread trillions of particles and atoms under unimaginable amounts of gravity, through billions of years, to land next to each other to form fur, cute eyes, chords that ring with "meaao".

Nah, that's a miracle.

Why not this?





And we are given signs; some mothers give birth to deformed humans, the world could've been a big version of "Alien 3" 's cloning rooms, I can't understand how you see a random explosion producing anything organised.

[ReptilianPeon]

It's true, the Quran does give you all sorts of emotions and sensations. Sometimes I get the chills, sometimes I want to bang my head against the table, other times I want laugh. It's a real roller coaster. The Quran can be fun to read, but not in too much in one go.

[RozKek]

It's true, cocaine does give you all sorts of emotions and sensations. Sometimes I get the chills, sometimes  I want to bang my head against the table, other times I want laugh. It's a real roller coaster. cocaine can be fun to snort, but not in too much in one go.

FTFY

Sounds like you're describing a drug.

[WinterHold]

It's true, the Quran does give you all sorts of emotions and sensations. Sometimes I get the chills, sometimes  I want to bang my head against the table, other times I want laugh. It's a real roller coaster. The Quran can be fun to read, but not in too much in one go.

The book affected so many nations for a reason. It provides a substitution for the materialistic life we see today. Something about having a goal different than the typical cycle of "study school-find a girl-sleep-have hundreds of facebook friends-go to the gym and build big muscles just to see them vanish with age-sleep again-die eventually and leave every penny behind for a spoiled son or a daughter that would use it to begin the same exact cycle".

These emotions are what lead to the leap of faith that I personally took, and looking at everything became enough evidence to me to supplement those feelings with. Then the book became my constitution that I try to follow. 

That's why I hate the sunni and the shia faith; because they destroyed the Quran with their silly Hadiths. I washed my hands from Hadiths totally; now I don't even pray like the majority of modern day Muslims.  

Rozkek

I thought Marx said "religion is the opium of  the people"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people

The Quran is not a drug though; but this is how true revelations feel like.

Religion -especially Abrahamic religions- were around for thousands of years. That's for a reason; even though the followers used to ruin things at every era -ironically with the same method:collecting "Hadiths/quotes that are said to be linked the prophet and those around him" and follow that instead of the sources.

Name me a religion: Judaism? Christianity ? Islam??

ALL FOLLOW THEIR OWN VERSION OF THE HADITH.

[The Grand Nudger]

Islam is entirely unremarkable set against the other predominant faiths, or the random aspirations of the average stoner.   When you say that religions have been around for years...that's true, but the abrahamic faiths are some of the newest (and islam the youngest of -them-).  Other religions aren't cribbing your ridiculous hadiths, either.  The relationship went the other way around.  

Finally, the sunni and the shia didn't destroy a damned thing.  We get alot of this from evangelicals here in the us, mostly aimed toward catholicism.  Not a single "hey, thanks for this turd of a religion you saw fit to grace me with...that I've just carved into something that I think might be more palatable."

[ReptilianPeon]

I mainly get neutral or negative emotions when reading Quran. Especially that verse which says fresh water and salt water don't mix. I wasn't brought up in the environment of Quran is amazing and I didn't let the Da'i tell me what to think. If I read the Bible I'd have the same reactions.

[CapnAwesome]

Yeah, they are all a bunch of horseshit that requires a bunch of extra-quranic explanation after the fact to make them miracles. I would find it miraculous if there was a model for the steam engine in the Qu'ran. Instead there is just a bunch of poetry that can mean lots of different stuff. If there is really these scientific miracles in the Qu'ran, it should be easy for you to tell me what undiscovered science is still in there. If you can tell me what the next scientific discovery is in there, I'll convert to Islam.

Here is a website full of many miracles of the Qur'an. Many of which I haven't mentioned. http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

Now as much as I would love to see u come to the true straight path of God, u have to realize u would be doing that for ur own bettering. So ur not doing me any favors by accepting Islam as ur religion nor are doing me any injustice by declining it.

Those are all horseshit explained after the fact. I want what will be discovered in the future. If you can give me a miracle that'll be discovered in the next few years before it's discovered by science, I'll convert to Islam.

[CapnAwesome]

I'm not sure any translation can make the Qu'ran anything less then an extremely boring read.

The version of the Qu'ran that I read was a modern translation by Muslim Arabic authors. I thought the footnotes were very very apologetic to the point of possibly being misleading. There were footnotes to everything that sounded bad or stupid or horrific to explain what it actually meant, despite what it seemed to be translated as. To the point it was kind of humorous and if you knew the bible stories that it was ripped off of, you could see right through that. Mostly I thought it was just very boring and tedious.

Note, only 20% of Muslims speak arabic, so most people are dealing with translations. So when Muslims say 'you don't understand unless you speak Arabic' they are saying 80% of Muslims can't understand their own religion.

If you seek fun; go watch a movie or read some comics; The Walking Dead are pretty good:

---

---

Now THAT is fun

So the Quran is pretty much a book that causes the skin of the reader to go chilling from fear, then after few verses comes to be smooth; wishing to read more and more about the author:

( Sura 39 Verse 23 )   Allah has sent down the best statement: a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah. That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide.

In other words; the book is not a new season of Games of Thrones. This is some teenage mentality right there, or worse: a child's mentality; we usually try to represent facts in a "game" or a "colorful volume" so kinder garden kids don't get "bored" during learning, I thought you're bigger than that !

Anyhow ><

The Qu'ran didn't make me chill from fear, nor did it make me wish to read more. It made me yawn out of boredom, mostly. You'd think that an almighty god could write a better book, or could write it in more then one language. If Arabic is so difficult to translate, and the most important book of all time, written by god, is so difficult to translate, then God is an idiot for choosing it as a language. Or the much easier explanation, Muhammad made the whole thing up and arabic is the language he spoke. Which is the more reasonable explanation? An all knowing, all powerful God is going to reveal his word in only one diffcult to translate language, or it was made by a man who spoke that language? What a pile of horseshit.

[robvalue]

The best Quran is the one on the fire, cooking my chestnuts.