(July 14, 2016 at 12:35 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(July 14, 2016 at 12:29 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: Have u read the many different miracles of the Qur'an that I replied to RozKek with?

Yeah, they are all a bunch of horseshit that requires a bunch of extra-quranic explanation after the fact to make them miracles. I would find it miraculous if there was a model for the steam engine in the Qu'ran. Instead there is just a bunch of poetry that can mean lots of different stuff. If there is really these scientific miracles in the Qu'ran, it should be easy for you to tell me what undiscovered science is still in there. If you can tell me what the next scientific discovery is in there, I'll convert to Islam.

Here is a website full of many miracles of the Qur'an. Many of which I haven't mentioned. http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

Now as much as I would love to see u come to the true straight path of God, u have to realize u would be doing that for ur own bettering. So ur not doing me any favors by accepting Islam as ur religion nor are doing me any injustice by declining it.

(July 14, 2016 at 12:32 pm)RozKek Wrote:

(July 14, 2016 at 12:29 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: Have u read the many different miracles of the Qur'an that I replied to RozKek with?

Yup, you actually forgot quite many. Want to see more miracles in the Qur'an? https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Miracle_of_19 Go into this link and scroll down to "Anti-Islamic Phrases and Other Holy Numbers"

All of that is in the Qur'an the holy words of Allah =)

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

Here is another link for u to research

(July 14, 2016 at 1:38 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(July 14, 2016 at 12:21 pm)RozKek Wrote: They're a mix of coincidences, data manipulation and interpretations. That is the case whether you believe it or not. I've presented to you sources that demonstrate that. However, you can go on and be ignorant, not my problem.

Of course, I'm "deaf" and "blind" yet I can do my research.

Well I know atheists are big on math and science. Science especially. So when u do ur research do u find it true or untrue that: the Earth has 71.1111% water on the surface and 28.88889% land? The atomic #for iron is 26 and the Earth's core consists of iron alloy? That Venus takes 243 days to revolve around the sun, Deimos is a moon of Mars, the red planet covered with sand dunes? Sirius is a double star moving in a bow shaped orbit which occurs every 49.9 years? The 28 lunar phases of the moon? The year 1390 of Hijra is 1969 Gregorian and 1969 man set foot on the moon? Mountains are pegged deep into the Earth to help prevent consistent recurring earthquakes? The embryotic science? Or here's another for u that I didn't mention before what about Allah saying: He has set free the two seas meeting together(freshwater and saltwater). Between them is a barrier which they do not transgress (Qur'an 55:19-20) http://oi42.tinypic.com/w7o0uw.jpg

So what human being could keep count of exactly how many times this word was u used in a scripture revealed verses at a time over a 23 year period, Especially who could read or write? In a time period where NO HUMAN knew this information or had access to devices and technology to prove these statements?

So with ur research how due explain all of these happenings not to mention the mathematical miracles, which I didn't even bring up in this reply. As I said before, since all of this is proven as true someone knew exactly what they were talking about. That someone is Allah the author of the Qur'an.

Oh boy, you got to repeat yourself a million times, don't you.

Not matter how fucking unlikely it seems.

Yes, they are coincidences, but not only that. Another important part is you're fucking cherrypicking and manipulating data so it makes sense with science.

An example of you manipulating data is how you only count Yaum in it's singular form so it becomes 365. Why only count the singular ones? Because they work in your favor.

(July 14, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(July 14, 2016 at 12:32 pm)RozKek Wrote: Yup, you actually forgot quite many. Want to see more miracles in the Qur'an? https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Miracle_of_19 Go into this link and scroll down to "Anti-Islamic Phrases and Other Holy Numbers"

All of that is in the Qur'an the holy words of Allah =)

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

Here is another link for u to research

 
Oh yeah, that's a really fucking scientific site and not biased at all. Totally. I'd rather spend my time on other stuff. You presented stuff to me, I debunked them. I'm not going to dig sites for you.

And since you're too damn stubborn to check my links (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Miracle_of_19) out I'll just write it out here for you.

Using the miracle of 19 in the Qur'an we can find this astonishing miracle!!!

"Islam is not from God":
IANV add: 209 = 19 x 11

"Allah is an imagination of the mind of Muhammad"
IANV = 378
PNV = 180
378 180 = 99 x 3820
378 - 180 = 198 = 99 x 2
3+7+8= 18 = 9 + 9
1+8+0 = 9
99 is 9 written twice

Anti-Islamic phrase: "Ninety-Nine Nasty Names of Allah"
IANV = 315
PNV = 117
315117 = 99 x 3183
315 - 117 = 198 = 99 x 2
3+1+5 = 9
1+1+7 = 9
99.

"Allah is not a God"
PNV add: 57 = 19 x 3

"Nineteen is not a miracle"
PNV add: 99 = 99 x 1

"Muhammad was a very evil person"
IANV add: 323 = 17 x 19

This is in the Qur'an. Still miracles? Also, there are more of these if you're interested.

(July 14, 2016 at 1:53 pm)RozKek Wrote:

(July 14, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

Here is another link for u to research

 
Oh yeah, that's a really fucking scientific site and not biased at all. Totally. I'd rather spend my time on other stuff. You presented stuff to me, I debunked them. I'm not going to dig sites for you.

truth hurts when u don't wanna believe it doesn't it? Hurts a lot more when u can't prove it as untrue. But as I said before. I am not to judge u nor anyone else. Because of the miracles I have shown u among other things that I haven't shown u, this is what I believe as the true religion of God and which I choose to follow. So again my friend "lakum dinukum wa liyadiin" To you be your way of belief and to me be my way of belief.

If it's true, it just means Allah is a real disgusting monster rather than an imaginary one.

And since he doesn't seem to actually do anything anyway, he can be safely ignored.

(July 14, 2016 at 1:59 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(July 14, 2016 at 1:53 pm)RozKek Wrote:  
Oh yeah, that's a really fucking scientific site and not biased at all. Totally. I'd rather spend my time on other stuff. You presented stuff to me, I debunked them. I'm not going to dig sites for you.

truth hurts when u don't wanna believe it doesn't it? Hurts a lot more when u can't prove it as untrue. But as I said before. I am not to judge u nor anyone else. Because of the miracles I have shown u among other things that I haven't shown u, this is what I believe as the true religion of God and which I choose to follow. So again my friend "lakum dinukum wa liyadiin" To you be your way of belief and to me be my way of belief.

Nononono, I edited that post. Read the rest.

And, no. What really hurts me is your ignorance.

(July 14, 2016 at 1:49 pm)RozKek Wrote:

(July 14, 2016 at 1:38 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: Well I know atheists are big on math and science. Science especially. So when u do ur research do u find it true or untrue that: the Earth has 71.1111% water on the surface and 28.88889% land? The atomic #for iron is 26 and the Earth's core consists of iron alloy? That Venus takes 243 days to revolve around the sun, Deimos is a moon of Mars, the red planet covered with sand dunes? Sirius is a double star moving in a bow shaped orbit which occurs every 49.9 years? The 28 lunar phases of the moon? The year 1390 of Hijra is 1969 Gregorian and 1969 man set foot on the moon? Mountains are pegged deep into the Earth to help prevent consistent recurring earthquakes? The embryotic science? Or here's another for u that I didn't mention before what about Allah saying: He has set free the two seas meeting together(freshwater and saltwater). Between them is a barrier which they do not transgress (Qur'an 55:19-20) http://oi42.tinypic.com/w7o0uw.jpg

So what human being could keep count of exactly how many times this word was u used in a scripture revealed verses at a time over a 23 year period, Especially who could read or write? In a time period where NO HUMAN knew this information or had access to devices and technology to prove these statements?

So with ur research how due explain all of these happenings not to mention the mathematical miracles, which I didn't even bring up in this reply. As I said before, since all of this is proven as true someone knew exactly what they were talking about. That someone is Allah the author of the Qur'an.

Oh boy, you got to repeat yourself a million times, don't you.

Not matter how fucking unlikely it seems.

Yes, they are coincidences, but not only that. Another important part is you're fucking cherrypicking and manipulating data so it makes sense with science.

An example of you manipulating data is how you only count Yaum in it's singular form so it becomes 365. Why only count the singular ones? Because they work in your favor.

 That's why God made it this way. Arabic unlike English also has terms that go together yaumadin= Day of Judgement, Yaumal Qiyamah= Day of Resurrection, Qaria'ah= Day of noise and clamor. As u see all of Arabic terms aren't like English. The word yaum doesn't have to be used by itself to mean "day of something" but day used by itself in Arabic has to be used as yaum. And because yaum by itself means day and there are 365 single days in a year, this is why Allah uses this word as one of His Qur'anic miracles. U keep trying to tie Qur'anic miracles in the original Arabic language to an English language which first off has letters that don't exist in Arabic (C, E, I, O, P, U, V, X), then English as such an inconsistent stupid language has rules it doesn't even follow (I before E except after C) u have deity, science, neighbor, weigh among others. Then u have "gh" and "ph" sound like F. Then on top of that English gets so many words from other languages. So u can't apply a rule of a language that doesn't even follow its own rules to a language in which the miracles are in. So bottom line since u keep bringing up this topic, yaum in the singular means day. And yes there are 365 days in every year and yaum in the singular is used exactly 365 times. Allah determined it to be this way and remember when He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. Something to think about

(July 14, 2016 at 2:05 pm)RozKek Wrote:

(July 14, 2016 at 1:59 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: truth hurts when u don't wanna believe it doesn't it? Hurts a lot more when u can't prove it as untrue. But as I said before. I am not to judge u nor anyone else. Because of the miracles I have shown u among other things that I haven't shown u, this is what I believe as the true religion of God and which I choose to follow. So again my friend "lakum dinukum wa liyadiin" To you be your way of belief and to me be my way of belief.

Nononono, I edited that post. Read the rest.

And, no. What really hurts me is your ignorance.

Hey partner u can shoot me down and try to belittle me all u want. The bottom line is I'm not trying to change ur belief or lack thereof. So u should stop trying to change my belief. I gave u strong reasons why I believe Allah is the Only God and the Qur'an is His final message to all mankind delivered through His messenger Muhammad pbuh. Those whom Allah guides none can lead astray and those whom He leaves to stray on their own, none can guide. So chief, to each is his own

Still desperately working the numerology angle, Sheed? I can only hope that the billions of muslims worldwide have a better explanation, and that djinn - in their infinite wisdom- would provide better demonstration of their existence than this poor showing would credit to them.