Curious to know

[energizer bunny]

No, i would most likely assume that they were either on drugs, drunk, or became deranged after the experience.  lol

[Dust_bunny]

I had an NDE, I saw a white portal and I was trying to go to it but I couldn't... however I know very well that it was nothing more than conditioned childhood imprints of the visual pictures of death and dying and heaven that we were all taught as children. It was simply morphine plus 104 fever plus the firing of relevant neural pathways given the situation. When people tell me that it just wasn't my time, I let them live that fantasy because it makes them feel good and fluffy that i confirmed that god opened the gates for me and told me to fight because he doesn't want me yet. It makes me feel special too, like I was spared because I have some unknown and secret special purpose here.

If people tell me that they have had an NDE where they met god I don't tell them I think its mental because it makes them happy. It just makes me feel very alone, like the world is nuts.

[robvalue]

How exactly do you know it's god, anyway? Because it seems like how you expect God to be? Funny that.

I believe there's a scientific explanation for the "white light" thing people often experience, but I've forgotten what it is.

[Little Rik]

We all know, and Rik has acknowledged in the past, that brains can produce experiences which aren't real.

Why exactly is this any different? Why would you assume something as bizarre and vague as "God" as a starting point and expect people to prove you wrong? The starting point is "we don't know". Brains producing weird shit under extreme stress is a very simple and reasonable explanation, one which is backed by evidence.

I could hold a similarly absurd position that dreams all actually happen, and invite people to prove me wrong. All it shows is I don't understand how evidence works.

And again, you can have a NDE that doesn't (in reality) involve anything to do with the supposed supernatural. I think Rik believes a NDE is by definition some sort of interaction with the spirit realm. It isn't. The fact that so many people interpret it that way is irrelevant. If that is what Rik means by a NDE, he needs to use another term.

Roberto, you get confused once again.  
Forget about the brain.
The heart stop working, the blood and oxygen stop flowing in the head-brain so the brain is off.
How the hell can this brain produce hallucinations?  
Have you ever seen a car run without fuel in it or a dead donkey pull a cart?

Get real Roberto.
It is the consciousness that take over after the body is dead that produce the experience in the other
dimension not an hallucinated brain.  

[paulpablo]

I need to interject with a prediction

This thread goes on for 150 pages, maybe more.....

[Little Rik]

I need to interject with a prediction

This thread goes on for 150 pages, maybe more.....

No need to worry about that pablo.
LR is here to give free tuition to slow learners.  

[Little lunch]

That's a morbid prediction, Nostradamus. :-)

[Losty]

Get real, forget about your brain, believe whatever wacky things I say.

[SofaKingHigh]

We all know, and Rik has acknowledged in the past, that brains can produce experiences which aren't real.

Why exactly is this any different? Why would you assume something as bizarre and vague as "God" as a starting point and expect people to prove you wrong? The starting point is "we don't know". Brains producing weird shit under extreme stress is a very simple and reasonable explanation, one which is backed by evidence.

I could hold a similarly absurd position that dreams all actually happen, and invite people to prove me wrong. All it shows is I don't understand how evidence works.

And again, you can have a NDE that doesn't (in reality) involve anything to do with the supposed supernatural. I think Rik believes a NDE is by definition some sort of interaction with the spirit realm. It isn't. The fact that so many people interpret it that way is irrelevant. If that is what Rik means by a NDE, he needs to use another term.

Roberto, you get confused once again.  
Forget about the brain.
The heart stop working, the blood and oxygen stop flowing in the head-brain so the brain is off.
How the hell can this brain produce hallucinations?  
Have you ever seen a car run without fuel in it or a dead donkey pull a cart?

Get real Roberto.
It is the consciousness that take over after the body is dead that produce the experience in the other
dimension not an hallucinated brain.  

Prikky.........these people were not dead.  They were nearly dead, the clue is in the name. 

Near Death Experiences.  They are not called, Death Experiences.

You're welcome.

[FatAndFaithless]

We all know, and Rik has acknowledged in the past, that brains can produce experiences which aren't real.

Why exactly is this any different? Why would you assume something as bizarre and vague as "God" as a starting point and expect people to prove you wrong? The starting point is "we don't know". Brains producing weird shit under extreme stress is a very simple and reasonable explanation, one which is backed by evidence.

I could hold a similarly absurd position that dreams all actually happen, and invite people to prove me wrong. All it shows is I don't understand how evidence works.

And again, you can have a NDE that doesn't (in reality) involve anything to do with the supposed supernatural. I think Rik believes a NDE is by definition some sort of interaction with the spirit realm. It isn't. The fact that so many people interpret it that way is irrelevant. If that is what Rik means by a NDE, he needs to use another term.

Roberto, you get confused once again.  
Forget about the brain.
The heart stop working, the blood and oxygen stop flowing in the head-brain so the brain is off.
How the hell can this brain produce hallucinations?  
Have you ever seen a car run without fuel in it or a dead donkey pull a cart?

Get real Roberto.
It is the consciousness that take over after the body is dead that produce the experience in the other
dimension not an hallucinated brain.  

If the 'brain is off', that's called being dead.  Not near-death.