What God is to the Universe is what your mind is to your body

[GUBU]

High magnetic fields affect mental function.

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questio...human-body

Medical MRI uses uniform fields of about 0.5 to 3.0 T. In a head MRI, the Lorentz force on ions in the brain can cause neurological effects such as vertigo. I've heard that this shows up in particular when the patient moves his head.


answered Apr 20 '13 at 16:02

Ben Crowell

No shit Sherlock. Next revelation of yours will probably be, standing in the rain makes you wet.

Magnetic fields affect brain functions in the same way they affrect all electrical systems, because our brain works by sending electrical impulses from one neuron to another. Therefore magnetism affects the electrical impulses which alter the working of the brain functions.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'd suppose I'd ask why, if it takes less,  if it's intrinsic..for example...to the quantum fields or to matter, to the universe...the digital camera can be then maintained not to have whatever that less is?

For a guy talking about composition fallacies all the time, that's a strange question.

Not at all, and it's not a composition fallacy.  It's just something I'd been wondering about, why mind is intrinsic to the universe is one case (quantum fields, matter, what have you) ... but not the other. A digital camera is less than a brain...but not any less comprised of or derived from the other (the universe, quantum fields, matter).

If those little sparks of mind, as you've called them in the past are everywhere...aren't they in the camera too? So, are we really talking about something that doesn't have or isn't a mind (is it really coherent to say that -anything- doesn;t have a mind, still assuming the truth of mind as intrinsic and supervening)..or just the degree to which they have it?

[Arkilogue]

And what was electromagnetism before scientists explored, worked out the math and explored the mechanics of it?

If you think current science is the end all/be all paradigm, you don't know history and you aren't doing science.

Electromagnetism was a natural force for which humanity had no proper explanation before Maxwell came along. Just because we didn't understand it doesn't mean that "goddidit" was ever the right answer, and neither does that we now understand it mean that its nature changed in the understanding.

Your understanding of reality is sadly lacking, so much so that engaging in intelligent debate on scientific topics is a waste of your time. Much better for you to learn the basics.

Was I wrong in my statement about the nature of the scientific journey?

Can you give me any plausible mechanism for how electromagnetism came into being out of the unified state during inflation?

I didn't settle for "goddidit" I worked to find out exactly how. I'm will to bet my "how" has far more predictive and explanatory power than yours.

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http://www.english-for-students.com/pater.html

Pater and patr are the root words for both Father and Pattern.  They also have the same function biologically. The Father imparts imparts material pattern to complete the Mother's set, the matter of the Mother's body is used to grow the embryo.

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On that note, did you know there are more bacterial flora and fauna cells in your body than human cells?  You aren't the passenger, you're the ride.

It means what it means to those who seek it, answers only matter to those who ask good questions.

Hey, bullshit artist, if I wanted a bullshit story I'd have asked my seven year old cousin to tell me a make believe story, she's much more accomplished at fiction than you are.

That's nice dear, why don't you get off the internet and go play tea time dolls with her.

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High magnetic fields affect mental function.

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questio...human-body

Medical MRI uses uniform fields of about 0.5 to 3.0 T. In a head MRI, the Lorentz force on ions in the brain can cause neurological effects such as vertigo. I've heard that this shows up in particular when the patient moves his head.


answered Apr 20 '13 at 16:02

Ben Crowell

No shit Sherlock. Next revelation of yours will probably be, standing in the rain makes you wet.

Magnetic fields affect brain functions in the same way they affrect all electrical systems, because our brain works by sending electrical impulses from one neuron to another. Therefore magnetism affects the electrical impulses which alter the working of the brain functions.

So you agree, electromagnetism is a basic component of mind.

[GUBU]

Was I wrong in my statement about the nature of the scientific journey?

Yes. You insinuated that before the scientific theories behind electomagnetism were developed (initially by James Clerk Maxwell), it operated in a much different way than it does now. You are massively wrong on this, as discovery of how something works doesn't alter the way in which it works, it alters our understanding of how it works, changing our understanding from a false one to a true one. My point stands, you don't understand science, you don't understand reality.

Can you give me any plausible mechanism for how electromagnetism came into being out of the unified state during inflation?

Not being a cosmologist who studied the big bang (I'm trained in accounting, not in any of the sciences) I can't give you an explanation. But I'm sure a google search, or a half way decent science text book would give you one if you are curious*.

I didn't settle for "goddidit" I worked to find out exactly how. I'm will to bet my "how" has far more predictive and explanatory power than yours.

Well then why are all your posts an elaboration of the goddidit conjecture? Why else are you trying to denigrate science by strawmanning it? If you look like a theist, swim like a theist and quack like a theist, a reasonable assumption is that you're a theist.

That's nice dear, why don't you get off the internet and go play tea time dolls with her.

She doesn't play with dolls. She's more of a fan of hurling, and I can't hurl. I'd gladly play with her, but a) it's now past her bedtime and b) showing you up as the ignorant, illmannered buffoon that you are is much more fun.

So you agree, electromagnetism is a basic component of mind.

Not what I said and you know it. What I said is that any electromagnetic field or pulse (or other electromagnetic phenomenon) affects the brain in the same way as any other system which uses electrical impulses to operate. Anyway, how would the brain being electomagnetic help your goddidit conjecture, prey?

*I doubt it says Croker. You strike me as the kind of idiot who falls for the first glib talking snake oil salesman who then proceeds to scream blue murder at everybody who points out that that chancer just emptied his bank account.

[fdesilva]

Everything we know or can ever know is via our minds.If the mind is an illusion then everything else is also part of the same illusion. So this brings to question the very existence of the hand.

Almost right.  Actually it is the hands which create the illusion that it is your mind which creates the illusion.  Since the hands create the illusion everything else is naturally part of the illusion.  In a sense, we all have the whole wide world in our hands.

Why in particular the hand?

[Whateverist]

Almost right.  Actually it is the hands which create the illusion that it is your mind which creates the illusion.  Since the hands create the illusion everything else is naturally part of the illusion.  In a sense, we all have the whole wide world in our hands.

Why in particular the hand?

Earlier you'd said something about "we move our hands with our mind".  I was looking to challenge the idea that we the 'jockey' of our bodies sit in our heads and everything else is part of the vehicle.  Why the head other than what we know about the crucial role of our brains.  Even though that is true, it doesn't mean that our 'felt experience' needs to posit an inner location in the head.

[bennyboy]

Not at all, and it's not a composition fallacy.  It's just something I'd been wondering about, why mind is intrinsic to the universe is one case (quantum fields, matter, what have you) ... but not the other.  A digital camera is less than a brain...but not any less comprised of or derived from the other (the universe, quantum fields, matter).

Okay, I call it a composition fallacy because if quantum interchanges, like the absorption of a photon into an atom, represent the minimal element of mind, then a camera is full of mind, or rather of mental events. That does not mean that it itself HAS a mind, in the same way that people do-- and much for the reasons everyone here talks about-- the complex integration of brain function into the sense of coordinated experience in a subjective agent.

The thing that some don't get is that I agree with VERY much of what people are saying in this thread-- the interest in how neurology affects our qualitative experience, for example. However, everything that happens in the brain happens elsewhere, though in differing degrees and on different scales.

Now, I consider your hypothesis (I believe you most favor IIT right?) a serious contender for reality. But I do not have sufficient evidence to be confident that it is right, and I do not believe we have the capacity to collect evidence without making philosophical assumptions that beg the question anyway.

[Arkilogue]

Yes. You insinuated that before the scientific theories behind electomagnetism were developed (initially by James Clerk Maxwell), it operated in a much different way than it does now. You are massively wrong on this, as discovery of how something works doesn't alter the way in which it works, it alters our understanding of how it works, changing our understanding from a false one to a true one. My point stands, you don't understand science, you don't understand reality.

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Well then why are all your posts an elaboration of the goddidit conjecture? Why else are you trying to denigrate science by strawmanning it? If you look like a theist, swim like a theist and quack like a theist, a reasonable assumption is that you're a theist.

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Not what I said and you know it. What I said is that any electromagnetic field or pulse (or other electromagnetic phenomenon) affects the brain in the same way as any other system which uses electrical impulses to operate. Anyway, how would the brain being electomagnetic help your goddidit conjecture, prey?

I insinuated no such thing, I said it was considered hocus mysterious pocus by people before it was explored and mapped out. Your assertion fails and is moot opinion.

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So in your imagination, "goddidit" = no discoverable pattern in nature, no regular laws, nothing can be measured or mapped? Strange assumption.

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It wasn't an answer to "goddidit" it was an answer to the operational force of the mind. If I asked you how a motorcycle works, I wouldn't expect that information to tell me about traffic laws.

[GUBU]

I insinuated no such thing, I said it was considered hocus mysterious pocus by people before it was explored and mapped out.  Your assertion fails and is moot opinion.

You don't like the implications of your ideas, then don't go around posting them in fora where they'll be examined and found out.

Your whole corpus of posts on this thread screams goddidit, and if you don't like that, you'd better examine your prejudices and your preformed assumptions.

I love the smell of idiot theist panicking in the morning*. Smells like...victory.

*Or in this case late at night.

[Arkilogue]

I insinuated no such thing, I said it was considered hocus mysterious pocus by people before it was explored and mapped out.  Your assertion fails and is moot opinion.

You don't like the implications of your ideas, then don't go around posting them in fora where they'll be examined and found out.

Your whole corpus of posts on this thread screams goddidit, and if you don't like that, you'd better examine your prejudices and your preformed assumptions.

I love the smell of idiot theist panicking in the morning*. Smells like...victory.

*Or in this case late at night.

I have been asserting from the beginning that God moved to create the universe and I've been going about explaining exactly how and why it predicts the exact phenomena we find in the universe.

The rest of you self pandering is