Bill Maher Spells It Out

[John V]

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...ous-group/

Interestingly, they make the same claim, but in favor of Islam: "The main reasons for Islam’s growth ultimately involve simple demographics."

You know, 1.4 billions of people. Out of - what's our overall number right now - at least more than 8 billions. China alone comes close to the numbers of muslims. I don't see you fretting over them, although they're buying resources and companies left, right and center.

Simplistic argument stays simplistic. Demographics are in favor of Asia and not the Middle East.

I see - the pew research org's study is simplistic. Your opinion is what's right. Got it!

[Minimalist]

Despite being the biggest turd in the bowl, Drumpf emerged with the nomination.

Consider the ramifications of that.

It means the battle isn't over. Okay. That's one party, one faction, and one clearly in the minority at this point. They're losing. Continue the campaign -- not Presidential, the social campaign -- and don't take counsel in your fears. We've got this. As the turds drop out, so will they be flushed.

There's plenty of us with the stamina to see it through, at least until we can hand off the torch. Failure in my lifetime is not failure; this is a long march.

In 2018 the democrats will revert to their "why bother to vote" mentality and the shitheads will regain control of the senate if, indeed, they lose it this time.  Don't kid yourself, the racists won't go quietly into the night.

[Thumpalumpacus]

It means the battle isn't over. Okay. That's one party, one faction, and one clearly in the minority at this point. They're losing. Continue the campaign -- not Presidential, the social campaign -- and don't take counsel in your fears. We've got this. As the turds drop out, so will they be flushed.

There's plenty of us with the stamina to see it through, at least until we can hand off the torch. Failure in my lifetime is not failure; this is a long march.

In 2018 the democrats will revert to their "why bother to vote" mentality and the shitheads will regain control of the senate if, indeed, they lose it this time.  Don't kid yourself, the racists won't go quietly into the night.

I know they won't ... that's precisely why the fight needs to continue.

[Minimalist]

But 'progressives' only fight every 4 years.

[abaris]

But 'progressives' only fight every 4 years.

Would you say that a probable Hilary win is a progressive win? I agree that progressives should vote to prevent what's lurking in the background, but the progressive cause was already lost when Hilary got nominated.

[Thumpalumpacus]

But 'progressives' only fight every 4 years.

They're not the only fighters here.

[SteelCurtain]

But 'progressives' only fight every 4 years.

Would you say that a probable Hilary win is a progressive win? I agree that progressives should vote to prevent what's lurking in the background, but the progressive cause was already lost when Hilary got nominated.

I don't know that it was lost. It was certainly not helped, but I don't think Hillary is anti-progressive. Progressives influenced the party to adopt the most progressive platform ever, and incremental gains are how social movements happen. Always. We always want them to happen now, but they never do. They always take years if not decades.

[Minimalist]

The myth is that there was a progressive candidate.  In the breadth and unlikelihood of their coming to fruition Sanders' promises were as probable as Drumpf's promises to his nazis.  Obama was a progressive but only in his person.  He was a black man who won the white house.  That accomplished he found out that getting anything through the collection of shits that made up the congress - mainly republicunts but some turds were democrats too - was incredibly difficult. 

On one side of the current equation is the winner of the race to the extreme right.  He started out in a Klown Kar with 16 other assholes and demonstrated that he was the biggest and brashest asshole of them all.  He won by telling idiots that their lot in life was someone elses' fault and not their own.   On the other side is Hillary Clinton who is a rather boring centrist.  
She has to be carried along by the weight of public opinion but the point is that she will go - as opposed to the republicunts who will do whatever possible to maintain the status quo. 
Had Sanders won his legislative plan would have foundered on the same rocks that Obama's did.  Many of his 'supporters' would have blamed him for failing to get his free college through even though it would have been the intransigence of the republicunt congress which stopped it.

So when Sanders tells his supporters to support Clinton he fully understands that he is taking the next best choice.  I'll dismiss Johnson and Stein.  They are irrelevancies.  Drumpf is a danger to everything that Obama did manage to get through and let's remember that some of his primary social issues were the result of 5-4 decisions on the Supreme Court.  Sanders knows what Drumpf court nominees would mean.  He may not agree with Clinton but he sure as shit knows that she is no where near the threat that Drumpf represents.  I regard it as extremely unlikely that the Dems will get control of the house.  The best that can be hoped for is a working majority of the senate.  That may be enough to control the Tea Bagging assholes... at least until 2018 when the dems go back to sleep.

[SteelCurtain]

Again, incremental gains make movements.

Yes, there were plenty of people who believed that everything Bernie Sanders wanted was going to happen on day three of a Sanders presidency. Those people were naive and blinded by their inability to compromise.

But social and progressive movements always require a progenitor. Bernie, elected or not, is that.

[Minimalist]

Only if his followers get their noses out of their cell phones and start working.