Judgement.

[Mystic]

I have to go to school tomorrow. I won't be responding.

So there is no true you. No true judgment. No objective value.

"Whoever knows himself knows their Lord" - Prophet Mohammad.


I will make one more thread. And make it really short.

[LadyForCamus]

I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat. ?

[Astreja]

Let us ask this question:

Is there a 100% accurate you?

Everything is always accurate, in its current state.  It's a tautology:  A thing or person is what it is.  Due to the fact that everything in the universe is constantly changing, however, even if one could know the whole, precise truth about oneself it would automatically become false in the very next instant because something would have changed.

There is true judgment just as there is a true you.

Any such "true you" is impermanent.  You are not the same person you were 10 years ago, or the person you will be 10 years in the future -- and almost certainly within the next 100 years you will be dead, insentient, existing only in your works and in the memories of living people.

The question is how far are you willing to go to deny your Lord?

I cannot "deny" something that I sincerely believe is imaginary.  I am someone who was born without the capacity to cultivate sincere religious faith; at most I can play along and make futile efforts to believe.  I'm really, really tired of trying to fit myself into the role of a believer when it's never done me the least amount of good and wasted a great deal of time and energy.  I require physical evidence.  Philosophy and scripture simply won't do it.

I'm serious, MK:  Your god appears to me as a fictional character, and there's nothing you can say or do that will change that.  Evidence.  Evidence that I can touch.  A god that I can talk to, face to face, in the physical world.  That's the only thing that has even the slightest chance of working.

So there is no true you. No true judgment. No objective value.

That's how I see it.  Value and judgment are subjective, and "you" can change or disappear in the twinkling of an eye.

[Jesster]

Here's judgement for you:

[robvalue]

You subjectively pick the judgement of a character in a story book. It's no different to me announcing that everyone should use my judgement, in that regard. The difference is that God will enforce his judgement, and no one can stop him, in your mind. Whether or not it's good judgement is rather moot, if he's just doing it unchecked.

The important thing about a judgement is not who says it, but the reasoning behind it. If you have to employ "because God says so", you've admitted there is no reasoning. The most powerful guy in the room is not necessarily the "good guy". If he's so clever and wise or whatever, he can supply the reasoning to back up his judgements.

Surrendering all judgement to one authority is extremely dangerous. Who regulates this authority? If the authority becomes corrupt, or always has been, what happens?

Back in reality, you can preach about the judgement of your imaginary friend all you like, and it makes no difference to us. If he wants to punish me after my death for not kissing his ass or following his rules just because they are his rules, then fuck him.

I've noticed a lot of theists are incredibly uncomfortable with the idea that anything could be a matter of opinion. Everything must be set in stone by an authority, so that there can be no debate. I guess it's like a longing for a parental figure, in adult life, so that you don't have to think for yourself.

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PS: If you evaluate the judgement of God and decide that it is good, you're admitting you have your own system of judgement, external to God.

If you don't evaluate it, and just accept it "because it's God", you're a mindless drone.