Steve Harvey Meets with Trump to Discuss Housing and Inner-city Issues

[Brian37]

BULLSHIT AND FUCK YOU, 

MLK cared not only about blacks but said himself, when you care for minorities you help even yourself. How anyone equates that to laziness or a handout is bullshit. 

Now your fucking scapegoating asshole demagogue preyed off right wing fear. That asshole spent 5 years painting Obama as "other". It worked so well that we have tape of McCain in a town hall and about the only one who really did anything, we have tape of him telling a brainwashed white lady that Obama was not a secret Muslim. Trump sold Obama's 8 years of RECOVERY successfully as a failure. Has a bigoted VP who preyed also off of white people who read the bible and justify denying equality to LGBT. He started his campaign bating Hispanics, scapegoating those fleeing from war, even attacked war heros. 

And on the weekend of MLK's holiday attacked a Civil Rights leader, who got beaten up and arrested because of the white bible based Christianity of his time. You want me to think there was no intent in that to bait people? BULLSHIT.

So here is how equality works without using religiously based race baiting.

You, "Steve Harvey met with Trump"

Me, "So, both managed how to move up the economic ladder, but that does not make either right about what works in a three class system"

THAT is how you do it. This is just all optics for Trump. He isn't going to do fucking shit for poor rural whites either.

Same with Hispanics.

Trump was race baiting "Mexicans are rapists, I am sure some of them are good"  

Again bullshit, there are on average about 80,000 sexual assault reports every year in America, the majority of those accused or convicted are going to MOSTLY be people born here with legal citizenship. I have TWO Hispanic families living on both sides of me, never had the cops show up or seen any of them accused of rape, and I don't give ONE FUCK about their legal status either, what matters to me is that they are a fellow human being, and I will not fear anyone until that INDIVIDUAL gives me something to fear.

The right way to put it without being a dick, would be "We should deport violent individuals who don't have legal documentation". Nobody would or should disagree with that.  No need to talk about national origin. People from even Europe have stayed illegally and some also commit crimes. Not because they are from Europe or Mexico or any nation, but because when you force people into hiding, and you don't give them a means to survive, any human can become desperate, the same goes for why mostly white rural West Virginia has an opiate heroine problem.  And even down here where I live in the sticks I see reports of crimes of WHITEs accused of drug possession and sales and violence. 

Trump is a dangerous demagogue, and there simply is no polite way to put it. He didn't simply attack Obama, or one individual or one group. He sold fear of everyone else, used hyper nationalism, aimed vile bullshit everywhere carpet bombing everyone, even cannibalized his own to win the nomination. He aimed his vitriol at everyone. 

I don't like Steve Harvey as an individual, not because he is black. I also don't begrudge him for having more or making more. But I also know he is deeply religious and makes the same flaws in logic that Reginald Finley the "Infidel Guy" and even Neil Tyson would see through. I don't like Steve for purely issues of logic and siding with a party that wants to turn back the clock on minorities rights. Same issue with women, sure you can vote for Trump, no law against it, but why? Steve and women and Hispanics and even Vets, shoot themselves in the foot voting for that party.

And LGBT as well, our nation up till a decade ago gave no equal rights to LGBT, Mike Pence as a VP pick is a reaction to a big enough minority of assholes on the right, freaking out now because they no longer control the narrative as to what it means to be an American or even what it means to be religious. 


This is not sour grapes for the left one bit. Even the right says "Trump is different" the left agrees, but not in a good way. We have seen in the past what political demagoguery has done with McCarthyism and Jim Crow and WW2 Germany, and any European Jew old enough to have lived that can tell you now that Trump is not a road of political tactic you want spreading.

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By the way Lek, undocumented Hispanics are so fucking evil, my neighbors were having a BBQ and those evil "rapists" just brought me a plate of food which I wasn't expecting. So a special FUCK YOU.

How in the world did you come to these conclusions about me by reading my last post?  I think you're all losing it.  I thought I was talking about Steve Harvey trying to help people in the inner cities and how you guys are trying to condemn him.  Did I say something about illegal immigrants not being nice - and all that other stuff?

We condemn Steve Harvey not because he is black, or even because he moved up the ladder, we condemn him because he hitched himself to a bigoted asshole demagogue and cannot see himself he is hurting the very people he claims he wants to help.

If you support Trump then you support an asshole who vilified people I personally know, that is where my neighbors come in. If Harvey Supports Trump then he is shitting on Martin Luther king Jr and John Lewis's actions that paved the way for Obama to be a SUCCESSFUL IVY LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE. Trump spent five years painting Obama as "other" to get votes from right wing bigots. Trump chose anti LGBT VP Pence to get support from white white wing bible based bigots. So if you support him again you are supporting a demagogue who has vilified people I personally know.

[Jesster]

[Lek]

Does this show that he doesn't want to help people in the inner cities?

[Jesster]

Does this show that he doesn't want to help people in the inner cities?

What? When did I connect it to that? I just thought it was an interesting view into how awesome Steve Harvey is.

[Lek]

We condemn Steve Harvey not because he is black, or even because he moved up the ladder, we condemn him because he hitched himself to a bigoted asshole demagogue and cannot see himself he is hurting the very people he claims he wants to help.

If you support Trump then you support an asshole who vilified people I personally know, that is where my neighbors come in. If Harvey Supports Trump then he is shitting on Martin Luther king Jr and John Lewis's actions that paved the way for Obama to be a SUCCESSFUL IVY LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE. Trump spent five years painting Obama as "other" to get votes from right wing bigots. Trump chose anti LGBT VP Pence to get support from white white wing bible based bigots. So if you support him again you are supporting a demagogue who has vilified people I personally know.

Sounds like you're saying that if he wants to help inner city people by working with Donald Trump, who will be the president and has the power to do a lot, then he shouldn't do it. Why wouldn't you work with Trump for the betterment of peoples' lives, even if only to change his mind about things you disagree with?

[Faith No More]

I've always wondered why a man that's been married three times thinks he's qualified to give marriage advice.

Never mind the fact that Mr. Where's Your Moral Barometer is giving the J-man the finger.

2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” 3 “What did Moses command you?” he replied. 4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.” 5 “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. 6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

Fucking heretics everywhere...

[Thumpalumpacus]

His own history.

In other words, you don't know.

Your insistence on reading what you wish calls into question your sincerity.

I've got better things to do than provide you with a stage for demonstrating this. You can read up on it yourself if you feel like it, but something tells me the chip on your shoulder will prevent that. At any rate, you can start stuffing words into someone else's posts, because I'm not going to waste any more time on you, disingenuous as you're being right now.

Good day.

[Brian37]

Does this show that he doesn't want to help people in the inner cities?

Don't care, if he thinks he is trying or you think he is trying, not the fucking point. Hitching himself to Trump and the GOP is NOT the way to do it, it isn't even the way poor rural whites should go either. THAT is what I mean.

You as well as Harvey think corporate Charity and religious charity are good. NO, not the way we are applying it right now no. Corporate charity and religious charity do not have the goal of reducing the need, they are businesses that actually create more dependency. CHARITY IS GREAT but not when it creates dependency when it is only use ad PR to avoid taxes. Ethical charity seeks to go out of business. Just like an ethical doctor doesn't want to make a living pulling bullets out of the bodies Pulse or Newtown's victims. Just like an ethical cop would rather not show up to a rural  West Virginia opiate house  or pull a dead white women out of a trailer because her Tea Party husband got drunk and beat the shit out of her.

The age of Reagan's deregulation exploded the pay gap, and has eroded the ability of both blacks and whites to make ends meet. The best charity is for better wages for all, urban suburban and rural that keep up with the cost of living. Corporate Charity and religious charity are really nothing more than PR and while they do help some it is nowhere as beneficial as putting money directly into the pockets of workers combined with universal health care.

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Lek, if you want to understand where I am coming from read the following books.

"God Is Not Great, how religion poisons everything"

And while I myself have not read it yet, have seen clips of Hitchens talk about Mother Teresa

"Missionary Position".

Mother Teresa actually did not cure India's caste system, but ended up solidifying it. She was a PR artist and only really made a business out of being a billboard for the Church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4

[Cato]

Will someone please explain what the POTUS is supposed to do about inner city housing? It quite simply isn't in the job description.

Trump and Harvey just wan't a show of concern for what amounts to nothing more than a photo op. Harvey loves the pretend influence and Trump wants Harvey's audience to be sympathetic. All bullshit.

[vorlon13]

A POTUS could send (or at least not stand in the way of) a top administration official, thoroughly vetted and committed to his viewpoint, to the nation's second largest city as mayor to turn around public housing, public schools, and the police department.