does the "Israel becoming a nation again prophecy" have any value

[KUSA]

Hello, a christian friend recently told me the fact that Israel became a nation again proofs the bible is true as it is foretold in Ezekiel.

No value in such a prophesy.  Israel became a nation because humans deliberately made it happen.

Yeah but didn't god give them the idea to do it? It's in the book.

[Isis]

Yes because Israeli's are so for a two state solution and have no interest in forcing the Palestinians out of the region.

I would say that they do support the two state solution, in fact the idea appears to be gaining support among Israelis. It is your friends in the Palestinian "government" who are the problem, and they continue to refuse to recognise Israel as a Jewish state to this day.

As for the contention it one side that provokes all the attacks clearly you have never meet there settlers a good many of them are religiously motivated fanatics.

There are racially and sectarian motivated attacks on innocent Palestinians by a minority of settlers, yes. The Israeli government has arrested people for the said attacks. You keep harping on about settlements, but ignore articles like this.

Who see there right to take over Palestinian land as god given.

Funny that, don't the Palestinians think along similar lines?

And would happily force the Palestinians out  or ghettoize them.

Uh-huh, and that's wrong. I'm not sticking up for violent settlers. Thank you for repeating stuff that I already know though.

The two state solution is a western imposition that Israeli pays lip service to. Now I of course condemn Hamas and it's tactics but this idea the Israeli is a sheep beset by wolves is absurd .Israeli is a wolf fighting other wolves for meat (the middle east)

What exactly inspires your hate for Israel? Israel is a strong, fantastic country. They're surrounded by people who would like to see them wiped off the map. They can't afford to be weak.

That being said, it's good that you condemn Hamas. At least we have something in common on this particular subject.

[Amarok]

Yes because Israeli's are so for a two state solution and have no interest in forcing the Palestinians out of the region.

I would say that they do support the two state solution, in fact the idea appears to be gaining support among Israelis. It is your friends in the Palestinian "government" who are the problem, and they continue to refuse to recognise Israel as a Jewish state to this day.

Once again no they don't as one articles I posted clearly points out FROM GOVERNMENT MINISTERS stating they should wipe out the  Palestinians  and that they don't support the state solution .And I already condemned Hamas

And to further my first point as Tzipi Hotovely, deputy foreign minister (Likud)

"This land is ours. All of it is ours. We did not come here to apologise for that… We expect as a matter of principle of the international community to recognise Israel's right to build homes for Jews in their homeland, everywhere." 

Or how about Moshe Yaalon, defence minister (Likud)

"We should find another way, not just talking about the 1967 lines and a Palestinian state."

Or Naftali Bennett, education minister (Jewish Home)

"I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."

Or at least 10 other top ministers admitting they have no commitment to the proposal

As for the contention it one side that provokes all the attacks clearly you have never meet there settlers a good many of them are religiously motivated fanatics.

There are racially and sectarian motivated attacks on innocent Palestinians by a minority of settlers, yes. The Israeli government has arrested people for the said attacks. You keep harping on about settlements, but ignore articles like this.

Nope the majority of settlers want them gone. It's not a few it's the overwhelming majority I've ignored nothing. And yes they arrested radicals "sometimes "because some of these  groups are hostile to the government too. And it's bad PR for Israel need for foreign investment .

Who see there right to take over Palestinian land as god given.

Funny that, don't the Palestinians think along similar lines?

Yup both groups are religiously motivated but only one gets vast military aid from the west .

And would happily force the Palestinians out  or ghettoize them.

Uh-huh, and that's wrong. I'm not sticking up for violent settlers. Thank you for repeating stuff that I already know though.

Never said you were. But the simple fact remains this isn't isolated opinion it's whole reason the settlements are there in the first place .

The two state solution is a western imposition that Israeli pays lip service to. Now I of course condemn Hamas and it's tactics but this idea the Israeli is a sheep beset by wolves is absurd .Israeli is a wolf fighting other wolves for meat (the middle east)

What exactly inspires your hate for Israel? Israel is a strong, fantastic country. They're surrounded by people who would like to see them wiped off the map. They can't afford to be weak.

I don't hate Israel any more then I hate Iran, Iraq ,Egypt , Saudi Arabia , or any other country in that region. I just acknowledge Israel's  goals are not that much different then there's. And that Isreal would wipe those some off the map for much the same reason. So it's neighbors can't afford to be weak either.

[Isis]

Well you're talking about ministers that are firmly on the right. They're (very) right-wing populists, and when I said Israelis - I meant regular citizens not those in politics (excluding the left-wing and centrist parties, obviously)

I have told you that while I support Israel and its Jewish identity, the two state solution is a good idea. You've condemned Hamas, I condemn Hamas and a lot of those currently in the Israeli government as well.

[Minimalist]

Well you're talking about ministers that are firmly on the right.

But those fascist bastards keep winning the elections.  We have the same problem here in the US.

[Isis]

Well you're talking about ministers that are firmly on the right.

But those fascist bastards keep winning the elections.  We have the same problem here in the US.

It's pretty similar to the US.

"Our Christian identity is under attack!"

"Our Jewish identity is under attack!"

Hence, populists, but the near constant attacks by Palestinian militants don't exactly help either.

[Amarok]

Well you're talking about ministers that are firmly on the right. They're (very) right-wing populists, and when I said Israelis - I meant regular citizens not those in politics (excluding the left-wing and centrist parties, obviously)

I have told you that while I support Israel and its Jewish identity, the two state solution is a good idea. You've condemned Hamas, I condemn Hamas and a lot of those currently in the Israeli government as well.

Do you really want me to dig up quotes from the left too (labor Zionist union the Meretz) stating none support or opposition  the two state system  . And the fact they keep electing people of such mentality ought to give you a clue at were the populous stands .(Likud Keeps winning the popular vote and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu has been all over the place with two state while firmly siding with right wing nationalist )

As for two state it's a nice idea but it could never work . As for Hamas yup I condemn them but id imagine you and I condemn them for very different reasons then the government does

[Isis]

You can waste your time digging up quotes if you wish, but the list of political parties that support the two state solution can be found here.

There are definitely some parties on the left that aren't too keen on it though. So what's your alternative to the two state solution then, since you don't think it will work?

[Amarok]

"Our Jewish identity is under attack!"

Your right there

but the near constant attacks by Palestinian militants don't exactly help either.

Yup because the populous would adore the Palestinians if they would just stop being mad at them  for forcing them off there land . And would tear down all the settlements. And they would all join hands and sing kiblah.

[Isis]

Your right there

What am I right about?

Yup because the populous would adore the Palestinians if they would just stop being mad at them  for forcing them off there land . And would tear down all the settlements. And they would all join hands and sing kiblah.

I didn't say that, and you know it. My point is that support for populist (not populous) parties will always be high when people feel threatened. It is the same in Britain, the US and Europe.