Thoughts

[Whateverist]

Always good to have a science denying hick on your side.

Glad their is no god to be disappointed in you.

GC has some reading to do before I know he's honest.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

None of that is proof of evolution, you do not even understand the science you think is real.

If the truth of evolution is a threat to your faith you won't have it for long.  Weird that you're so sure evolution cannot be among the strange and wonderful ways your puny god might choose.

[Godscreated]

Being straight forward as you say doesn't mean it's true, just your stated opinion that doesn't hold water against the facts.

GC

Name one fact that does not support Darwinian evolution.

 No new information can be added to DNA and without new information no changes from one kind to another can happen.

GC

[Astreja]

No new information can be added to DNA and without new information no changes from one kind to another can happen.

That is patently untrue.  Every single time sexual reproduction occurs, new information is created as the DNA from the male and female partners combines to form novel combinations.

[Godscreated]

 She can't defend against what is known, understand this DNA can't have new information add to it and thus eliminates the possibility for on kind to become another, period. This is something you can not get around.

You're a fucking moron.  Creationist bullshit about being unable to add information is just that: bullshit.

Claim CB102:
Mutations are random noise; they do not add information. Evolution cannot cause an increase in information.

Source:
AIG, n.d. Creation Education Center. http://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/docs/CvE_report.asp

Response:

 

•  It is hard to understand how anyone could make this claim, since anything mutations can do, mutations can undo. Some mutations add information to a genome; some subtract it. Creationists get by with this claim only by leaving the term "information" undefined, impossibly vague, or constantly shifting. By any reasonable definition, increases in information have been observed to evolve. We have observed the evolution of
  
         increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991)
         increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003)
         novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996)
         novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)
  
     If these do not qualify as information, then nothing about information is relevant to evolution in the first place.
  
• A mechanism that is likely to be particularly common for adding information is gene duplication, in which a long stretch of DNA is copied, followed by point mutations that change one or both of the copies. Genetic sequencing has revealed several instances in which this is likely the origin of some proteins. For example:
         
  • Two enzymes in the histidine biosynthesis pathway that are barrel-shaped, structural and sequence evidence suggests, were formed via gene duplication and fusion of two half-barrel ancestors (Lang et al. 2000).
           
    
  • RNASE1, a gene for a pancreatic enzyme, was duplicated, and in langur monkeys one of the copies mutated into RNASE1B, which works better in the more acidic small intestine of the langur. (Zhang et al. 2002)
           
    
  • Yeast was put in a medium with very little sugar. After 450 generations, hexose transport genes had duplicated several times, and some of the duplicated versions had mutated further. (Brown et al. 1998)
    
•    The biological literature is full of additional examples. A PubMed search (at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi) on "gene duplication" gives more than 3000 references.
  
• According to Shannon-Weaver information theory, random noise maximizes information. This is not just playing word games. The random variation that mutations add to populations is the variation on which selection acts. Mutation alone will not cause adaptive evolution, but by eliminating nonadaptive variation, natural selection communicates information about the environment to the organism so that the organism becomes better adapted to it. Natural selection is the process by which information about the environment is transferred to an organism's genome and thus to the organism (Adami et al. 2000).
  
• The process of mutation and selection is observed to increase information and complexity in simulations (Adami et al. 2000; Schneider 2000).
  

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB102.html

 The only thing you have shown was adaptation which creationist understand happens, and nothing you presented proved that DNA has had information added to it.

GC

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None of that is proof of evolution, you do not even understand the science you think is real.

If the truth of evolution is a threat to your faith you won't have it for long.  Weird that you're so sure evolution cannot be among the strange and wonderful ways your puny god might choose.

 Evolution is for the puny and that God isn't. he called all materials into existence where before there was nothing and I say that's anything but puny. By the way there is no truth in evolution in and of itself, it actually doesn't exist. How about that atheist believe in something that doesn't exist, and you all are suppose to be so logical.

GC

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No new information can be added to DNA and without new information no changes from one kind to another can happen.

That is patently untrue.  Every single time sexual reproduction occurs, new information is created as the DNA from the male and female partners combines to form novel combinations.

Just a combination of existing information nothing new was added, the child is still a human being. I would think that those who believe that statement you made above would be appalled at abortion, just how could evolutionist kill off new information and justify it.

GC

[Minimalist]

Easy.  If its mother doesn't want it why do I give a shit?  More to the point.  What fucking business is it of yours?

[Jehanne]

Name one fact that does not support Darwinian evolution.

 No new information can be added to DNA and without new information no changes from one kind to another can happen.

GC

How do people (and plants) get cancer?

[Whateverist]

If the truth of evolution is a threat to your faith you won't have it for long.  Weird that you're so sure evolution cannot be among the strange and wonderful ways your puny god might choose.

 Evolution is for the puny and that God isn't. he called all materials into existence where before there was nothing and I say that's anything but puny. By the way there is no truth in evolution in and of itself, it actually doesn't exist. How about that atheist believe in something that doesn't exist, and you all are suppose to be so logical.

GC

Lucky for god that he has You to declare his limits and preferences. Oh what a friend he has in Thee.

[JackRussell]

Dead people resurrected - completely without evidence ever.

Speciation, observed.

And GC will never address the evidence for the latter, but is happy to swallow the former.

[Brian37]

Lek, nobody here thinks all religious people are evil, we simply find religion to be bullshit. For the same reason you rightfully reject claims of Apollo and Thor.

Most of us here WILL defend compassionate liberal theists even if we don't find their logic credible.

I do see good in most of humanity, the only difference between you and I is I don't assign our ability to do good, or be cruel, to a cosmic game between a sky hero and a ground troll battling over the neurons in human's brains.

We DONT hate you Lek, we simply don't find your theist claims to be credible.

[Godscreated]

 Evolution is for the puny and that God isn't. he called all materials into existence where before there was nothing and I say that's anything but puny. By the way there is no truth in evolution in and of itself, it actually doesn't exist. How about that atheist believe in something that doesn't exist, and you all are suppose to be so logical.

GC

Lucky for god that he has You to declare his limits and preferences.  Oh what a friend he has in Thee.

 God declares who He is and I just restate them. The bold by me is your statement is backwards, I'm the one who has the greatest friend.

GC

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 No new information can be added to DNA and without new information no changes from one kind to another can happen.

GC

How do people (and plants) get cancer?

 Mutation of DNA, something that was already present in the DNA.

GC