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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 22, 2018 at 10:24 pm
(March 22, 2018 at 9:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (March 22, 2018 at 3:34 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I think you misunderstand me. My point is that the Problem of Evil, from the skeptics side, is not a logical argument; but rather, an emotional one based on incredulity. That you believe the world could be better has nothing to do with whether or not it actually could be. Secondly the state of the world most likely could be dramatically improved if everyone, including myself, always behaved like the best person they could be. That we choose not to do so isn't God's fault and doesn't negate that idea that it all started out pretty good until people started messing with each other.
Excellent post!
Excellent? More like stupid.
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 22, 2018 at 10:38 pm
Lol ok
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 22, 2018 at 11:27 pm
I thought so.
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 22, 2018 at 11:42 pm
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(March 22, 2018 at 10:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol ok
Please don’t feed the Trolls! Lol
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 22, 2018 at 11:45 pm
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(March 22, 2018 at 11:42 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (March 22, 2018 at 10:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol ok
Please don’t feed the Trolls! Lol
Yeah, that must be it. Because it can't simply be just a matter of me continuing to be baffled by the theist apologetic mindset. 
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 22, 2018 at 11:50 pm
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CL's not a troll. She means well.
Hey Deb, forget "evil" for a moment. That's an arbitrary term.
Do you think bambi being ripped apart alive by a hyena (as part of God's plan) is a good thing in itself? Are you indifferent towards it?
I'm suspecting that religious people have desensitised themselves towards natural violence as part of their indoctrination as a way of coming to terms with God and his deeds in the bible...
EG: if it's ok for God to genocide the whole planet, what's one dead baby dear in comparison....
As atheists, we know and accept this as without this, we wouldn't have evolved to what we are today in, the first place.
We know that evolution is blind, unconscious and wouldn't know what a baby dear is anyway...
We accept this, it doesn't mean we have to necessarily think it's a good thing.
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Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 22, 2018 at 11:55 pm
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2018 at 12:07 am by Catholic_Lady.)
When someone responds to me with "NO, it was stupid!" ... there's not much to say except chuckle and move along.
(March 22, 2018 at 11:50 pm)ignoramus Wrote: CL's not a troll. She means well.
Hey Deb, forget "evil" for a moment. That's an arbitrary term.
Do you think bambi being ripped apart alive by a hyena (as part of God's plan) is a good thing in itself? Are you indifferent towards it?
I'm suspecting that religious people have desensitised themselves towards natural violence as part of their indoctrination as a way of coming to terms with God and his deeds in the bible...
EG: if it's ok for God to genocide the whole planet, what's one dead baby dear in comparison....
As atheists, we know and accept this as without this, we wouldn't have evolved to what we are today in, the first place.
We know that evolution is blind, unconscious and wouldn't know what a baby dear is anyway...
We accept this, it doesn't mean we have to necessarily think it's a good thing.
Lol, since you took it upon yourself to accuse me of it, let me assure you that I'm not "desensitized from violence" at all. I actually can't even watch the animal discovery shows because I can't stand to see them killed for food. It's better not to make horrible, and generalized assumptions about entire groups of people.
As to answering your question, no, I don't think killing for food is evil. I also don't think it's "good". I think it's the result of the natural world we live in and necessary for ecosystem balance. This is Earth, not Heaven. It isn't meant to be the ideal place.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 23, 2018 at 12:54 am
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(March 22, 2018 at 11:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When someone responds to me with "NO, it was stupid!" ... there's not much to say except chuckle and move along.
lol, ok
(March 22, 2018 at 11:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol, since you took it upon yourself to accuse me of it, let me assure you that I'm not "desensitized from violence" at all. I actually can't even watch the animal discovery shows because I can't stand to see them killed for food. It's better not to make horrible, and generalized assumptions about entire groups of people.
As to answering your question, no, I don't think killing for food is evil. I also don't think it's "good". I think it's the result of the natural world we live in and necessary for ecosystem balance. This is Earth, not Heaven. It isn't meant to be the ideal place.
Killing implies harm and suffering. A world in which killing, for whatever reason, is a necessity is a world that is much more likely under naturalism than under supernatural theism (especially one that posits a loving and caring deity).
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 23, 2018 at 1:45 am
(March 22, 2018 at 3:55 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, we may be living in a multiverse.
In this multiverse there is a universe with an earth with one thing different.
There is a God who made it all. No question about it.
What would this earth look like? How would our laws of physics be in comparison?
Would this affect our laws and ethics?
thoughts
(no smart arse comments please, that's my job)
Your looking at it, why, because there's no such thing as anything other than what it is.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Another hypothetical for theists.
March 23, 2018 at 3:15 am
(March 22, 2018 at 11:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As to answering your question, no, I don't think killing for food is evil. I also don't think it's "good". I think it's the result of the natural world we live in and necessary for ecosystem balance.
Only because it evolved. If it was designed then it wouldn't have to be that way and suffering wouldn't have to exist for it's everything to stay alive. That was my point. You're the one that used the word evil, not me.
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