Does Quran prove God?

[robvalue]

If god considers me to be worth 2k monies, then good for him. That’s not objective. Value without a metric doesn’t mean anything, and without a subject to evaluate it, there is no metric.

I subjectively give each human 1 credit point as a minimum. That seems fair. Of course I’m biased towards some people so they mean more to me.

[FatAndFaithless]

There are very, very few people on this forum that I think are unreachable in conversation, but MK is one of them. He is incapable of articulating coherent points, incapable of actually understanding and internalizing others' points, and claims moral/rhetorical/argumentative high ground constantly through no effort or merit of his own.

[Mystic]

Value without a metric doesn’t mean anything, and without a subject to evaluate it, there is no metric.

True, so we agree on the need of perception to give objective value, I say God has perfect measuring skills and his judgment weighs with truth.

I don't think any possible being other then the absolute being qualifies for this.

See the post about recognition of love as opposed to creating it.

[OakTree500]

Value without a metric doesn’t mean anything, and without a subject to evaluate it, there is no metric.

True, so we agree on the need of perception to give objective value, I say God has perfect measuring skills and his judgment weighs with truth.

Emphasis mine


My problem is this: Why do you say this? Because of what you 'believe' and were 'taught' in church/where ever. You say God is perfect. I say God is one of many beings, and is the "bottom rung" of what perfect really is. Neither of us will ever know if we are "right".

The problem is, human beings DONT have an inherent  "value" to themselves/others. Kids that get raised by wild wolves, ACT like wild wolves. They have no idea or concept of what 'being human' really is. The same is applied to believing in your bullshit. If others didn't tell you that, likely from a very young age, you probably would not believe it right now.

[robvalue]

What is he measuring? What does it mean? I’m worth 50? A million? 0.1 megawatts? Other than how much of a tingle I give god in his belly, what is this value supposed to represent?

It’s pretty cool of him to still value me just as much after all the horrific shit I say about him. And he’d never throw an objectively valuable person into hell just for not being a Muslim/Christian/whatever.

[Mystic]

What is he measuring? What does it mean? I’m worth 50? A million? 0.1 megawatts? Other than how much of a tingle I give god in his belly, what is this value supposed to represent?

It’s pretty cool of him to still value me just as much after all the horrific shit I say about him. And he’d never throw an objectively valuable person into hell just for not being a Muslim/Christian/whatever.

The value you earned through your deeds (states of actions).

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

I like that when MysticKnight is asked about the whole "Objective worth" clarification/meaning they simply 'Point to diety' and then claim; "See? That thing gives objectivness."

*Sigh*

How can MysticKnight not know that is not how 'Objective' and 'Subjective' work?

[robvalue]

What is he measuring? What does it mean? I’m worth 50? A million? 0.1 megawatts? Other than how much of a tingle I give god in his belly, what is this value supposed to represent?

It’s pretty cool of him to still value me just as much after all the horrific shit I say about him. And he’d never throw an objectively valuable person into hell just for not being a Muslim/Christian/whatever.

The value you earned through your deeds (states of actions).

So god gives me points? And I’m worth that many points to him? That’s great, but it still means nothing outside of god's opinion, which is subjective. And apparently these points don’t mean prizes, if I’m in the wrong religion. It’s all for nothing no matter how great I am to people.

Objective value would be value to [no one]. It makes no sense. Of course I have various different values to different people, and perhaps no value to others.

[Mystic]

The value you earned through your deeds (states of actions).

So god gives me points? And I’m worth that many points to him? That’s great, but it still means nothing outside of god's opinion, which is subjective. And apparently these points don’t mean prizes, if I’m in the wrong religion. It’s all for nothing no matter how great I am to people.

Objective value would be value to [no one]. It makes no sense. Of course I have various different values to different people, and perhaps no value to others.

See what I said about love and recognition. And we already agreed on the perception thing or you are moving back and forth?

[LastPoet]

Another time I tell you, your holy book has no value except subjectively to believers such as yourself. Even between believers it has different values, exempli gratia: you and AtlasS.

You never proved anything here. You just posted a bunch of threads preaching and said such preaching proved your points when your writing is unnimtelligeble. You then go on claiming we don't want to understand/are evil/ppssessed by demons (lol, you watch too many movies).

You need professional help and possibly medication. Schizofrenia these days can be kept under control and there are many options that do not have nasty side effects like in the past.

You are being used by zealots of your relogion. Seek proper threatment. It would do wonders for you... before you do something bad that in your delusion wouldn't even make you sad. To me is sad and pityfull to see someone with potential just being puppeted by idiots because of an illness.