Muslim against music

[KichigaiNeko]

You know Rayaan...the more I here about you religion ...the more grateful I am that I think it's a load of bunkum...so sorry to hear you are soooo restricted.

That's fine, but religion is a choice that I made and that's why I don't feel restricted.

Slaves never do feel "restriced". It is my POV that I am applying here.
From my POV you are restricted and "not free" to think and do as you see fit (within the constraints of " secular judicial law" -is about the closest I can come to a definition)

[Rayaan]

If it's the latter, then you really didn't make a "choice". Your religion was decided for you by your parents.

I'm aware of the fact that just because my parents are Muslim doesn't mean that Islam has to be right. Of course not. I have studied the religion by myself and found that Islam has the most sensible concept of God out of all the other religions. The Oneness of God in Islam is one of those things which made me believe in it along with the history of Islam and the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and especially the uniqueness of the Quran. There is more proof for Islam because it is the last religion and many of the historical events are well-documented. I presented my arguments for Islam in many other places in the forum. So, even if I was born into a different family or in a different culture then it's also possible that I would've converted to Islam (but again, I'm not sure about that).

[Thor]

If it's the latter, then you really didn't make a "choice". Your religion was decided for you by your parents.

I'm aware of the fact that just because my parents are Muslim doesn't mean that Islam has to be right. Of course not. I have studied the religion by myself and found that Islam has the most sensible concept of God out of all the other religions.

And your decision was not influenced by the fact that Islam was pounded into your head from the time you could talk? Because I'm sure any Mormon, Catholic, Hindu, etc. would make the same proclamation about their religion.

The Oneness of God in Islam is one of those things which made me believe in it along with the history of Islam and the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and especially the uniqueness of the Quran.

What is unique about the Koran? It's a book of fairy tales just like all the other "holy books".

There is more proof for Islam because it is the last religion

Uh.... no, it's not. For starters, Mormonism popped up in the 19th century. And Scientology is even more recent. And, in any case, this would make me think the religion is LESS LIKELY to be true. Why did this deity wait so long before revealing himself? Why wait until the 7th or 8th century before showing up? And why in only ONE place? If this deity is real, you would think he'd reveal himself to people all over the world. But we only find this particular deity in ONE culture. Just like we'd expect with a made-up god.

and many of the historical events are well-documented.

Really? It's "well documented" that your prophet rode a winged horse up to heaven?

I presented my arguments for Islam in many other places in the forum. So, even if I was born into a different family or in a different culture then it's also possible that I would've converted to Islam (but again, I'm not sure about that).

I highly doubt this to be true. If you were born into a Roman Catholic or Jewish family you would almost certainly still be Roman Catholic or Jewish. (Or an atheist if you saw the light.)

[reverendjeremiah]

I have studied the religion by myself and found that Islam has the most sensible concept of God out of all the other religions.

Right..because you studied all the other religions out there before you came up with that conclusion. I happened to notice you made no mention of GODDESSES. Appears you left some stones unturned and dashed back to the religion of your parents.

How about you be honest and admit your parents would punish you severely if you left Islam... comeon..be honest...we know the rules about leaving Islam...dont make me post them...be honest now.

The Cow

2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.

Nope, nothing poetic. Actually its retarded.My eyes have no "covering" on them. Look at how much this makes your Allah look like a pig dick.

Allah has made it where non-believers will not listen or open their hearts and covered their eyes with a covering so that they will not become Muslims..and Allah will punish them in the after life for not being Muslims! Allah is such a dick in the cow. Allah makes people SPECIFICALLY to not be muslim so that he can torture them in Hell for eternity. Your god is a tyranical mad man who resembles a demon, not a god of justice, but a god of spite and malevolence.

2:9 They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.
2:10 In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.

Allah increases diseases and lies in the hearts of the non-believers then claims he will punish them for their increased lies in Hell. Allah makes people into bad people then tortures them in eternal fire for being bad people. Allah is a deranged lunatic.

2:22 Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better).

LOL..the sky is solid like a canopy, and water pours out of it. The people who wrote the Quran thought the Earth was flat and the sky was solid.

[Skipper]

If it's the latter, then you really didn't make a "choice". Your religion was decided for you by your parents.

I'm aware of the fact that just because my parents are Muslim doesn't mean that Islam has to be right. Of course not. I have studied the religion by myself and found that Islam has the most sensible concept of God out of all the other religions. The Oneness of God in Islam is one of those things which made me believe in it along with the history of Islam and the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and especially the uniqueness of the Quran. There is more proof for Islam because it is the last religion and many of the historical events are well-documented. I presented my arguments for Islam in many other places in the forum. So, even if I was born into a different family or in a different culture then it's also possible that I would've converted to Islam (but again, I'm not sure about that).

How can you be so dense? All the other kids from other religions who grow up to be the same religion as their parents will say the same thing you do...and you will say they are wrong. They will say the same too you. Your religion is mostly chosen for you at birth by your parents. Very few people who fool for religion are even more stupid to do so when they are older after escaping indoctrination from their parents when they were young.

[Rayaan]

Right..because you studied all the other religions out there before you came up with that conclusion. I happened to notice you made no mention of GODDESSES. Appears you left some stones unturned and dashed back to the religion of your parents.

I studied a little bit of the other religions, not too much.

But most of them are polytheistic and I don't believe in multiple gods, trinities, nor idol-worshipping. So, that's why Islam made the most sense to me.

How about you be honest and admit your parents would punish you severely if you left Islam... comeon..be honest...we know the rules about leaving Islam...

I'm pretty sure that my parents would not punish me severely. They never forced me to pray nor read the Quran. I never went to an Islamic school either. I learned about Islam at home by myself. My parents are not as strict as many other Muslim parents and even if I didn't believe in Islam then I don't think I would be afraid to tell them because I don't want to lie to them.

As for the rules for leaving Islam, there's no death penalty if it doesn't involve any type of a treasonous act against a Muslim country or a Muslim population.

The ruling on killing someone just for leaving Islam was never established during the time of the Prophet Muhammad. The death penalty was only imposed by the Prophet when apostasy was combined with a treasonous act, meaning that an apostate would betray or violently rebel against the Muslim state and thereby endangering the safety of the people.

2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.

"This does not mean that their rejection of the Truth is a consequence of God sealing their hearts. What is meant is that God sealed their hearts and ears as a consequence of their decision to reject the fundamentals of faith, of their deliberate choice of a path divergent from that charted out by the Qur'an. Anyone who has worked for the dissemination of the Truth often finds that if, after full consideration, a person decides against a doctrine, his mind begins to move in a completely opposite direction so that he fails to appreciate anything that is explained to him. His ears become deaf, his eyes are blinded to the merits of that doctrine, and one gets the distinct impression that the person's heart has indeed been sealed." - Islamic Studies

2:22 Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better).

LOL..the sky is solid like a canopy, and water pours out of it. The people who wrote the Quran thought the Earth was flat and the sky was solid.

The sky is certainly not described as "solid" in the Quran. By giving just a little bit thought, you'll know that this is only being used as a metaphor (i.e. the sky being like a canopy). Why? Because the sky functions as a canopy by blocking the harmful radiations from the sun. What we call sky is actually an atmosphere which has layers of gases. The atmosphere contains an ozone layer which contains relatively high concentrations of ozone (O3). This layer absorbs most of the sun's high frequency ultraviolet light which is potentially damaging to life on earth. So, in that sense, the sky acts like a canopy.

Secondly, it doesn't say anywhere in the Quran that the earth is flat. It only says that the earth has been spread out like a carpet so that "you may go about therein, in spacious roads" (71:20), which is the next verse. The point of the verse is to convey the graciousness of the one who put man on earth. God laid out the earth in a gracious manner so that we can travel on it without falling off. "Spread out" basically means that the surface of the earth will always be spread out in all directions (at any location on the earth). It is spread out in every direction you look. You can travel across the surface of the earth forever in any direction you want but you will never hit an edge or a wall to stop you from going further. So, this indicates that the earth cannot be flat.

How can you be so dense? All the other kids from other religions who grow up to be the same religion as their parents will say the same thing you do...and you will say they are wrong. They will say the same too you. Your religion is mostly chosen for you at birth by your parents. Very few people who fool for religion are even more stupid to do so when they are older after escaping indoctrination from their parents when they were young.

One time I did escape from the indoctrination. I stopped believing in God, Islam, and every other religion. I even wrote 50 or so different reasons during class time in high school on why my religion is like a fairy tale. But 2 or 3 years later, I returned to being a believer and I felt that my faith was stronger than before. So, why did I return to Islam and not some other religion if I had already become an atheist?

I felt that it happened naturally. After my faith was restored, I was more eager to learn about the teachings of Islam which re-inforced my faith even more.

[KichigaiNeko]

Spoken like a true Christian fundie Raayan...Islam IS polytheistic..same as Xtianity and Judaism.....sorry to burst your bubble

[reverendjeremiah]

The Table Spread
5:60 Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah ? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road.
(Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers...LMFAO)
The Table Spread
5:111 And when I inspired the disciples, (saying): Believe in Me and in My messenger, they said: We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered (unto Thee) "we are muslims".
(The followers of Jesus say they are Muslims..LMFAO)
The Table Spread
5:116 And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah ? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden ?
(The Christian Trinity is the Father, Mother, and Son...LMFAO)
The Heights
7:166 So when they took pride in that which they had been forbidden, We said unto them: Be ye apes despised and loathed!
(Allah turns humans into apes!..LMFAO)
Women
4:1 O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.
(LMFAO..women were not created like this and science has explained why in Biology..more proof the Quran is unscientific)
The Thunder
13:3 And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.
("spread out the Earth"? Sounds like a flat Earth to me)
The Thunder
13:2 Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord.
("The sun ... runneth unto an appointed term."The sun according to the Quran orbits the earth. )
The Bee
16:68 And thy Lord inspired the bee, saying: Choose thou habitations in the hills and in the trees and in that which they thatch;
16:69 Then eat of all fruits, and follow the ways of thy Lord, made smooth (for thee). There cometh forth from their bellies a drink divers of hues, wherein is healing for mankind. Lo! herein is indeed a portent for people who reflect.
(Allah commands the bee to "eat of all fruits". Apparently the people who invented Allah didnt know that bees suck nectar and regurgitate it because they were busy MAKING SHIT UP..LMFAO)
The Ant
27:61 Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas ? Is there any God beside Allah ? Nay, but most of them know not!
(Allah says the Earth is fixed and does not move..but the Earth is in space and spins in reality)
Fusilat
41:12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.
(Allah decked the "nether heavens with LAMPS" Yes..Stars are really very small burning lamps according to the great creator of the cosmos)
The Moon
54:1 The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
(Muhammad split the moon in half..beat that Jebus!!!)

[KichigaiNeko]

Is this what they are railing against???

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Yeah I can see the weak islamic mind being unable to resist this!!

Mind you ...the girls look Hawt!!!

[Zen Badger]

41:12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable.

So we can't travel into space then.........

Wait, what...........