Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 19, 2024, 5:28 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Mixing up your taser with your handgun
#41
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
(April 17, 2021 at 4:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(April 15, 2021 at 9:37 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: The victim in this case had an outstanding warrant for arrest.  That seems to be ample justification to require him to get out of his car.

The victim in this case had no real reason to fear dying, which makes his resisting arrest and effectively bolting rather less than defensible.   The officer also didn’t seem to have intended to apply force excessive by popular conventional or procedural standards.   Again  there is no indefensible conduct.

The only tragedy is she grabbed a gun instead of taser, and failed realize the mistake until she triggered what she thought was the taser.

I don’t believe an eye must be answered for by another eye.    So I don’t think placating the family or the community should be a concern in how Kim Potter is dealt with.

In so far as she might be charged with any crime, it would be the same crime she would be charged with if, as a licensed driver, one day she nevertheless accidentally shifted her own car into reverse by mistake on her war to shopping and ran over and killed a bystander standing behind her car.

Yes, and, my understanding is that the warrent was for a misdemeanor. It isn't like they were tracking Ted Bundy.

So she should have waved him on his way merely because he isn’t Ted buddy?

(April 17, 2021 at 7:47 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:The warrant was for illegally carrying a firearm....

Pick one side of the street to work, chump..
Which justifies fuck all

It justify making him get out of his car to put him under arrest.   

It justifies using taser to subdue him when he resisted arrest and tried to drive away.    

It does indeed justify fuck literally all of the things that was done on purpose by Kim Potter.
Reply
#42
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
Quote:It justify making him get out of his car to put him under arrest.   

It justifies using taser to subdue him when he resisted arrest and tried to drive away.    

It does indeed justify fuck literally all of the things that was done on purpose by Kim Potter.
Nope, And it sure as hell doesn't justify her" accident"

Quote:So she should have waved him on his way merely because he isn’t Ted buddy?
Strawman, He never said she should have waved him on his way period.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]



 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
Reply
#43
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
(April 18, 2021 at 1:20 am)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:It justify making him get out of his car to put him under arrest.   

It justifies using taser to subdue him when he resisted arrest and tried to drive away.    

It does indeed justify fuck literally all of the things that was done on purpose by Kim Potter.
Nope, And it sure as hell doesn't justify her" accident"

Quote:So she should have waved him on his way merely because he isn’t Ted buddy?
Strawman, He never said she should have waved him on his way period.

Accident by nature requires no justification.    Otherwise it wouldn’t be an accident. 

The implication of his bringing up Ted Bundy was obvious.   He is trying to say because the infraction was less serious, the police should not have initiated any thing that could lead to his being attempted to be tasered. Since what initiated the attempt to taser him was his resisting arrest and attempting to bolt, it is obvious what he is implying is the police should just let people go who do not deign to be arrested for something less than what Ted bundy did.     Unfortunately this is not how laws can be made to work.
Reply
#44
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
1. I said the accident in quotations as a means of saying I don't buy it. 

2.Countering a strawman with another strawman doesn't make it less a strawman
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]



 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
Reply
#45
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
(April 18, 2021 at 2:39 am)SUNGULA Wrote: 1. I said the accident in quotations as a means of saying I don't buy it. 

2.Countering a strawman with another strawman doesn't make it less a strawman

Don’t care if you buy it.  I see zero evidence to suggest it is not an accident.  In fact on the body cam footage I see evidence as strong can be imagined to suggest this is a complete accident.
Reply
#46
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
And I don't care if you don't care. The whole thing is improbable to the point of absurd, And no the footage on the body cam is anything but conclusive.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]



 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
Reply
#47
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
(April 18, 2021 at 2:52 am)SUNGULA Wrote: And I don't care if you don't care. The whole thing is improbable to the point of absurd, And no the footage on the body cam is anything but conclusive.

There is nothing intrinsically very unlikely about it.    It only seems improbable because:

1.  Saying it is Improbable fits your agenda,

2.  It seems improbable on the surface because it has seldom happened, but you are unwilling to give police credit for largely effective measures to reduce incidence of something that is not intrinsically very unlikely.
Reply
#48
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
There is plenty that makes it intrinsically very unlikely, And no it seems improbable because it is improbable, Nor does my assessment have anything to do with a lack of credit given to the police sorry you don't get to play that card.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]



 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
Reply
#49
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
(April 18, 2021 at 3:05 am)SUNGULA Wrote: There is plenty that makes it intrinsically very unlikely, And no it seems improbable because it is improbable, Nor does my assessment have anything to do with a lack of credit given to the police sorry you don't get to play that card.

Name some of the plenty.


This is not a card.  It is an integral part of my assessment why people would insist something to not be an accident when there is no evidence whatsoever for it not being an accidents, and the strongest evidence that can be imagined under this circumstance for it being an accident.

Yes, it is not that likely, which is why it is not observed to happen more often.   But just a little reflection shows it can not be overwhelmingly unlikely, as a result it’s observed occurrences do not strongly suggest  people intentionally trying to make it happen.
Reply
#50
RE: Mixing up your taser with your handgun
(April 18, 2021 at 3:05 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(April 18, 2021 at 3:05 am)SUNGULA Wrote: There is plenty that makes it intrinsically very unlikely, And no it seems improbable because it is improbable, Nor does my assessment have anything to do with a lack of credit given to the police sorry you don't get to play that card.

Name some of the plenty
1. A taser feels nothing like a gun even to a panicked mind, And tasers purposely made not to look like a gun.

2. The police have protocols to avoid this very scenario. Because this has happened before (thou extremely rarely)

3. She 26-year veteran, not some fresh recruit, There is every indication she has dealt with high-stress incidents without this level of panic.

4.Nothing in the video shows the level of panic anywhere near high enough to override both her training her experience and the protocols that exist to avoid this very scenario. 

I may have a moral objection to the way the police operate. But incompetent idiots they are not.


Quote:This is not a card.  It is an integral part of my assessment why people would insist something to not be an accident when there is no evidence whatsoever for it not being an accidents, and the strongest evidence that can be imagined under this circumstance for it being an accident.
Yes, it is. And as I pointed out above it simply isn't believable that it was an accident and the evidence of it being so is not strong in the least.


Quote:Yes, it is not that likely, which is why it is not observed to happen more often.   But just a little reflection shows it can not be overwhelmingly unlikely, as a result, it’s observed occurrences do not strongly suggest people intentionally trying to make it happen.
None of this follows. Actual instances of this happening are different from people lying about it to cover their ass.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]



 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
Reply





Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)