(April 15, 2021 at 12:54 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(April 15, 2021 at 12:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I have a design suggestion, but not for tasers.

Cover the grips of police-issue firearms with hundreds of needles so that it is impossible to draw the gun without jabbing yourself. This will accomplish two things: 1) it will be impossible to mistake a gun for a taser and 2) it will eliminate ‘accidental’ shootings. If a cop can draw, aim, and fire a sidearm with hundreds of needles jabbing him/her in the hand, anyone that gets cop-shot probably deserved it.

Boru

How would that be any different from what we have now??

As it is - if a cop (or civilian) shoots somebody - justified or otherwise --- there's going to be thousands of pricks out there for blood.......

Well, one difference that leaps to mind is that Mr. Wright might still be alive.

Boru

Some guns would be needl-essly drawn...

(April 15, 2021 at 2:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 15, 2021 at 2:26 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: “I shot the bystander by mistake because the fucking needle jabbed my nerve”

They shoot bystanders by mistake anyway. With the needles, they’re less likely to draw the gun in the first place.

Boru

But when do draw it, their fire are more likely to be wild.

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The real problem isn’t really police with guns.   That is just a symptom of many deeper problems. 

The real problems are the prevalence of guns in the society is so outrageously out of hand, and the ethos of rights over responsibility is so pervasive and ingrained,  and the popular concept of justice is so over laden with punishment over rehabilitation, with it is infeasible to have an adequately effective police force in which the availability and use of guns is suitably controlled.

(April 15, 2021 at 5:17 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(April 15, 2021 at 2:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: They shoot bystanders by mistake anyway. With the needles, they’re less likely to draw the gun in the first place.

Boru

But when do draw it, their fire are more likely to be wild.

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The real problem isn’t really police with guns.   That is just a symptom of many deeper problems. 

The real problems are the prevalence of guns in the society is so outrageously out of hand, and the ethos of rights over responsibility is so pervasive and ingrained,  and the popular concept of justice is so over laden with punishment over rehabilitation, with it is infeasible to have an adequately effective police force in which the availability and use of guns is suitably controlled.

I don't disagree, but the topic was police hardware, not the deeper and more serious issues.

Boru

(April 15, 2021 at 9:37 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(April 15, 2021 at 6:49 am)Brian37 Wrote:  But it doesn't matter. Her mistake cost someone their lives. If I take my eyes off the road while driving, and pop a curb, and kill someone, I can be charged for that death, even if it was an accident. 

And it isn't the politically correct thing to say, it is a litteral real reality that blacks and other minorities have far more to fear when getting pulled over than whites. I've been pulled over twice for an expired tag. Neither time was I asked to get out of the car, nor did I fear dying.

The victim in this case had an outstanding warrant for arrest.  That seems to be ample justification to require him to get out of his car.

The victim in this case had no real reason to fear dying, which makes his resisting arrest and effectively bolting rather less than defensible.   The officer also didn’t seem to have intended to apply force excessive by popular conventional or procedural standards.   Again  there is no indefensible conduct.

The only tragedy is she grabbed a gun instead of taser, and failed realize the mistake until she triggered what she thought was the taser.

I don’t believe an eye must be answered for by another eye.    So I don’t think placating the family or the community should be a concern in how Kim Potter is dealt with.

In so far as she might be charged with any crime, it would be the same crime she would be charged with if, as a licensed driver, one day she nevertheless accidentally shifted her own car into reverse by mistake on her war to shopping and ran over and killed a bystander standing behind her car.

Yes, and, my understanding is that the warrent was for a misdemeanor. It isn't like they were tracking Ted Bundy.

(April 17, 2021 at 4:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 15, 2021 at 9:37 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: The victim in this case had an outstanding warrant for arrest.  That seems to be ample justification to require him to get out of his car.

The victim in this case had no real reason to fear dying, which makes his resisting arrest and effectively bolting rather less than defensible.   The officer also didn’t seem to have intended to apply force excessive by popular conventional or procedural standards.   Again  there is no indefensible conduct.

The only tragedy is she grabbed a gun instead of taser, and failed realize the mistake until she triggered what she thought was the taser.

I don’t believe an eye must be answered for by another eye.    So I don’t think placating the family or the community should be a concern in how Kim Potter is dealt with.

In so far as she might be charged with any crime, it would be the same crime she would be charged with if, as a licensed driver, one day she nevertheless accidentally shifted her own car into reverse by mistake on her war to shopping and ran over and killed a bystander standing behind her car.

Yes, and, my understanding is that the warrent was for a misdemeanor. It isn't like they were tracking Ted Bundy.

Especially since Bundy is long dead.

*warrant - like the 80s hair band

‘He had a warrant!’ I don’t care.

‘He resisted arrest!’ I don’t care.

‘He might have been on drugs!’ I don’t care.

‘He tried to flee!’ I don’t care.

‘He had a gun!’ I don’t care.

Cops aren’t supposed to kill guilty people, either.

Boru

(April 17, 2021 at 4:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 15, 2021 at 9:37 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: The victim in this case had an outstanding warrant for arrest.  That seems to be ample justification to require him to get out of his car.

The victim in this case had no real reason to fear dying, which makes his resisting arrest and effectively bolting rather less than defensible.   The officer also didn’t seem to have intended to apply force excessive by popular conventional or procedural standards.   Again  there is no indefensible conduct.

The only tragedy is she grabbed a gun instead of taser, and failed realize the mistake until she triggered what she thought was the taser.

I don’t believe an eye must be answered for by another eye.    So I don’t think placating the family or the community should be a concern in how Kim Potter is dealt with.

In so far as she might be charged with any crime, it would be the same crime she would be charged with if, as a licensed driver, one day she nevertheless accidentally shifted her own car into reverse by mistake on her war to shopping and ran over and killed a bystander standing behind her car.

Yes, and, my understanding is that the warrent was for a misdemeanor. It isn't like they were tracking Ted Bundy.

The warrant was for illegally carrying a firearm....

Pick one side of the street to work, chump..

(April 17, 2021 at 6:09 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(April 17, 2021 at 4:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes, and, my understanding is that the warrent was for a misdemeanor. It isn't like they were tracking Ted Bundy.

The warrant was for illegally carrying a firearm....

Pick one side of the street to work, chump..

You’re both right. It was a misdemeanor warrant, and it was for illegally carrying a firearm:



Boru

Quote:The warrant was for illegally carrying a firearm....

Pick one side of the street to work, chump..

Which justifies fuck all