Afghan riots over Quran-burning: 2 days, 20 dead

[reverendjeremiah]

5. I agree with those who said that it's the pastor's fault because he knew that there will be a negative reaction from Muslims if he did such a thing (and especially if he declares it openly).

How is it his fault? Honestly. It's the fucking idiots who killed people who's fault it is! HE BURNT A FUCKING BOOK! He didn't hurt anyone. The constantly in a state of offence Muslims are the ones who did all the killing.

Thankyou Skipper..finally some common sense in this topic. This pastor did nothing but burn a book of myths to prove a point..and you know what..those blood thirsty Muslims were more than happy to prove that pastor correct. Slobbering wild dogs those afghani muslims are...they have no care for life, and that is obvious.

He knew that it would happen because of his actions, and he did it anyway, he's responsible too, however his punishment should be guilt.

LMFAO..guilt? the other guy said we should put him in jail, or feed him to those murderous dogs over in afcrapistan. Why should that pastor feel guilt? He publicly announced that Muslims are NOT the religion of peace, and then broke one of their religious laws in a country that GUARENTEES freedom of religion... and what do the muslims do? They go on a killing spree.

Why are you two not pissed off beyond belief at the cut throat crowd in crapistan the same you are at the pastor.

Honestly, this is why I consider myself an independent Progressive. Some people on the left wing are willing to forgive the roving blood thirsty maniacs, blame someone else who isnt responsible, and remove everyones first amendment freedoms all in one fell blow.

I guess you will say next that since a teenager can steal a gun and use it to rob someone, then that teenager is faultless and the man the gun was stolen from is at fault..and that everyone in America should lose their second amendment freedoms because of it.

[chatpilot]

Unbelievable! It's not the act of burning the Koran. It's the full knowledge of the consequences that would follow his actions, which in this case are the killing of many innocent people who happen to reside in that country that did not personally violate those religious laws. They are being punished for the actions of one irresponsible idiot hiding behind rights supposedly conferred upon him by a piece of paper (the U.S. Constitution) that the government can amend and revoke at any time. In this case those people over in Afghanistan are suffering the brunt of these blood thirsty animals vicariously. I hate all religions with no exceptions because of shit like this.

If you are in a foreign country you are to abide by that countries laws no matter where you came from. Imagine being an American that lives and works in Afghanistan and has managed to get along fine with the locals and from one minute to the next you find out that the actions of an asshole here in the U.S. just put your life in danger. All your so called friends and neighbors all of a sudden want to kill you just for being American.That's fucked up! Religion is a powerful thing and history has shown that it has been used to incite people to commit horrendous crimes in the name of their deity of choice.

[Skipper]

Unbelievable! It's not the act of burning the Koran. It's the full knowledge of the consequences that would follow his actions, which in this case are the killing of many innocent people who happen to reside in that country that did not personally violate those religious laws. They are being punished for the actions of one irresponsible idiot hiding behind rights supposedly conferred upon him by a piece of paper (the U.S. Constitution) that the government can amend and revoke at any time. In this case those people over in Afghanistan are suffering the brunt of these blood thirsty animals vicariously. I hate all religions with no exceptions because of shit like this.

Should a country that champions freedom of speech really be expected to go backwards and restrict peoples actions because people in another country on the other side of the world disagree with what people do with that freedom on religious grounds? I don't fucking think so. Of course the burning was an inflammatory action, but he had every right to do it. Unfortunately, you take the good with the bad with such freedoms, but better that than telling people what they can and cannot say, do or burn that has no real harm on anyone else other than possibly offending them.

Ok, imagine it this way. I'm a Christian...the next time you speak out against my religion or do something that my interpretation of the bible dosen't agree with I am going to go mental, protest and then riot. I end up killing 8 innocent people. How much responsibility do you want to take?

They are being punished for the actions of one irresponsible idiot

No, they are being punished by the stupidity of the people who rioted and killed them.

[reverendjeremiah]

The pastor only burnt a book of myths..the afcrapistan people are killing people and burning our president in effigy



Peaceful Muslims peacefully burning an image of someone who had nothing to do with burning their book of myths

So which one is worse? And if someone kills Obama, can we blame these people instead of the real murderers?

According to your logic, this means we Americans can go all frothy mouthed psycho on Muslims and afghanistanis in America and it would be the people in this pictures fault... or do you only give special considerations to these people, and hold others to different rules of morals?

Not to mention that chatpilot, an atheist, is suggesting jail and execution for people who make anti-religious protests..the height of hypocrisy in my opinion. If you HONESTLY believed this, then you would not protest ANY religion on this forum. But you do, meaning that you give yourself special treatments as well. Its not okay for a pastor to burn a koran, but it is okay for you to burn one and brag about it on a forum.

If you are in a foreign country you are to abide by that countries laws no matter where you came from. Imagine being an American that lives and works in Afghanistan and has managed to get along fine with the locals and from one minute to the next you find out that the actions of an asshole here in the U.S. just put your life in danger. All your so called friends and neighbors all of a sudden want to kill you just for being American.That's fucked up! Religion is a powerful thing and history has shown that it has been used to incite people to commit horrendous crimes in the name of their deity of choice.

Yet the victims in that country DID abide by their laws, yet they were punished for something they DIDNT do, and that someone in ANOTHER COUNTRY did where the laws allowed him to do it. Would you think it fair that someone killed you and your children because Stalin was an atheist and shut down churches? Of course not, but your logic is suggesting that they have every right to do so.

I blame the people who did cold blooded murder..not the one who burnt the book of myths.

Should a country that champions freedom of speech really be expected to go backwards and restrict peoples actions because people in another country on the other side of the world disagree with what people do with that freedom on religious grounds? I don't fucking think so. Of course the burning was an inflammatory action, but he had every right to do it. Unfortunately, you take the good with the bad with such freedoms, but better that than telling people what they can and cannot say, do or burn that has no real harm on anyone else other than possibly offending them.

reverendjeremiah (10) - Last updated Today, 12:19

Positive (+1): For standing up for peoples first amendment rights even if you dont agree with what they did or said. A true lover of freedom. I salute you!

[reverendjeremiah]

They should put that fucker in jail in my opinion. Or even better hand him over to Afghanistan and let them deal with him through their legal system. Penalty for burning a Koran: Death!

I wish I could give you a thumbs down rating for this quote on your profile, but I cant, so I gave you a neutral rating with this quote. Honestly man, you should be ashamed for posting this.

[Ubermensch]

5. I agree with those who said that it's the pastor's fault because he knew that there will be a negative reaction from Muslims if he did such a thing (and especially if he declares it openly).

How is it his fault? Honestly. It's the fucking idiots who killed people who's fault it is! HE BURNT A FUCKING BOOK! He didn't hurt anyone. The constantly in a state of offence Muslims are the ones who did all the killing.

He was deliberately antagonising these people who were already predisposed to violence and he knew what he was doing. It'd be like walking up to a huge ex-con black man and yelling "nigger" in his face a few times. You shouldn't ought to be surprised when he clocks you or pops your head right off your shoulders.

That said, I find this whole thing to be morbidly hilarious. The pastor burnt the bible in order to draw attention to Islamic extremism. Then as if to prove his point, flash mobs of Afghani muslims rioted, exploded and murdered people. Well done guys. It's real basic humour but it's still a hoot.

[reverendjeremiah]

He was deliberately antagonising these people who were already predisposed to violence and he knew what he was doing. It'd be like walking up to a huge ex-con black man and yelling "nigger" in his face a few times. You shouldn't ought to be surprised when he clocks you or pops your head right off your shoulders.

That said, I find this whole thing to be morbidly hilarious. The pastor burnt the bible in order to draw attention to Islamic extremism. Then as if to prove his point, flash mobs of Afghani muslims rioted, exploded and murdered people. Well done guys. It's real basic humour but it's still a hoot.

Look at that picture of those peaceful afcrapistan people going frothy mouthed burning an image of the president over something he didnt do. They know what they are doing, and they know it can instigate violence. So therefore, according to you, we Americans can go on a rampage of our own and kill muslims in America for what these people did in afghanistan. DO YOU NOT SEE that you are giving special rules for one group, and holding another group to a higher standard?

Also, look at the presidence you are setting. You say it is okay for someone to turn a small slight against their feelings into a violent and potentially deadly reaction when you come to racism...so I ask you to stand behind your moral judgement with integrity..You must OBVIOUSLY support a Christian, upon finding out that you are an atheist or something he doesnt like, firing you from your job and smacking you across the jaw with a pipe. Guess what, according to your logic, you had it coming. How dare you instigate someone by publicly proclaiming that you oppose their most cherished beliefs. You should have just stayed quiet and let them have their way. You should have known better, and you are responsible for all the other people that Christian harmed or killed during the rampage that YOU started.

With that said, at least you understand why the pastor did it. This reflects POORLY on the Muslims in the middle east.

[Ubermensch]

Look at that picture of those peaceful afcrapistan people going frothy mouthed burning an image of the president over something he didnt do. They know what they are doing, and they know it can instigate violence. So therefore, according to you, we Americans can go on a rampage of our own and kill muslims in America for what these people did in afghanistan. DO YOU NOT SEE that you are giving special rules for one group, and holding another group to a higher standard?

Did I ever imply that they shouldn't be held responsible for their actions? I believe I said something along the lines of not being surprised that when you deliberately antagonise people who are pre-disposed to violence, that they should become violent. I'm not giving special rules to anyone.

Also, look at the presidence you are setting. You say it is okay for someone to turn a small slight against their feelings into a violent and potentially deadly reaction when you come to racism...so I ask you to stand behind your moral judgement with integrity..You must OBVIOUSLY support a Christian, upon finding out that you are an atheist or something he doesnt like, firing you from your job and smacking you across the jaw with a pipe. Guess what, according to your logic, you had it coming. How dare you instigate someone by publicly proclaiming that you oppose their most cherished beliefs. You should have just stayed quiet and let them have their way. You should have known better, and you are responsible for all the other people that Christian harmed or killed during the rampage that YOU started.

I'm not setting any precedent. I never said it was okay, just that it was deliberately antagonistic. The pastor knew he was going to get a reaction from these people. He was waving a red flag at a bull. And while I support his right to do really stupid shit like that, it doesn't stop it from being really stupid.

With that said, at least you understand why the pastor did it. This reflects POORLY on the Muslims in the middle east.

Yes, yes it does. These people, of their own volition went and massacred innocent people and blew themselves up almost as if to prove this white trash pastor right. Which is infinitely worse than him burning a book of lies. But again, antagonise someone who is pre-disposed to violence and they're going to react violently.

[reverendjeremiah]

Okay, sorry if I misunderstood you. You have clarified and I understand what you were trying to say.

[chatpilot]

"Look at that picture of those peaceful afcrapistan people going frothy mouthed burning an image of the president over something he didnt do. They know what they are doing, and they know it can instigate violence. So therefore, according to you, we Americans can go on a rampage of our own and kill muslims in America for what these people did in afghanistan. DO YOU NOT SEE that you are giving special rules for one group, and holding another group to a higher standard?"

rj, Not necessarily since I know that Americans are not as backward as some of these highly theocratic governments. Sure Americans like to hoot and holler about their religions but it rarely gets violent because as you stated several times in this country when it comes to certain matters we have the freedom to express our own opinions and beliefs or lack thereof without reprisals.

We can't expect other countries to abide by these same rules, they have their own ways and customs. I could care less about he people rioting in the streets and burning effigies and American flags that is not my whole point in this discussion. My point is that many other people are being killed because of this morons actions. I like the analogy used by Ubermensch; it's like waving a red flag at a bull. While the pastor gets to sit back and revel at all of the chaos he has caused by doing something so stupid as to inflame a nation of fucking religious zealots to violence by burning their "holy book," many innocent people are dying and could die over it.

We are supposed to be an advanced nation who has left the stone age behind although that's debatable, yet we still have idiots like pastor moron there pulling childish stunts and putting not himself or his congregation at risk but others that he could care less about.