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2024 US Presidential Election
RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(May 7, 2024 at 1:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(May 7, 2024 at 1:07 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: So, on the hush money trial Trump has, what will be the punishment should Trump lose? (Which I bet he will) will he have to pay anything?

This is criminal trial, not a civil one. Any money he has to pay will be in the form of fines to the court. He could also face a maximum of four year in prison for each count (there is no mandatory minimum.

So, he could pay nothing and serve no jail time at all, up to a maximum fine of $170 000 and 136 years in prison if convicted on all 34 counts in the indictment.

My guess is that he’ll be hit with the maximum monetary fine, receive no prison sentence, and his business licenses in the state will be suspended. He’s much more likely to be locked up for contempt than for falsifying his business records.

Boru

Alright, thanks for explaining.

In regards to the maximum fines and fines overall to the court; if he does get fined, especially by that much, he would lose even more money. Even though this is not in the form of millions of dollars or even a million, Trump already does not have that much money.

Now, with that, if he were to win the election somehow, I think he could try to take money out of something government based, or do something related to taxes to try and replenish the money he has, if he wanted to. I might not be right on this, but it is just a thought of mine; plus, I thought he would be the kind of guy to do something like that.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(May 7, 2024 at 1:38 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote:
(May 7, 2024 at 1:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This is criminal trial, not a civil one. Any money he has to pay will be in the form of fines to the court. He could also face a maximum of four year in prison for each count (there is no mandatory minimum.

So, he could pay nothing and serve no jail time at all, up to a maximum fine of $170 000 and 136 years in prison if convicted on all 34 counts in the indictment.

My guess is that he’ll be hit with the maximum monetary fine, receive no prison sentence, and his business licenses in the state will be suspended. He’s much more likely to be locked up for contempt than for falsifying his business records.

Boru

Alright, thanks for explaining.

In regards to the maximum fines and fines overall to the court; if he does get fined, especially by that much, he would lose even more money. Even though this is not in the form of millions of dollars or even a million, Trump already does not have that much money.

Now, with that, if he were to win the election somehow, I think he could try to take money out of something government based, or do something related to taxes to try and replenish the money he has, if he wanted to. I might not be right on this, but it is just a thought of mine; plus, I thought he would be the kind of guy to do something like that.

Of course he would. He profiteered while President, so there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t do it again.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(May 7, 2024 at 1:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(May 7, 2024 at 1:38 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Alright, thanks for explaining.

In regards to the maximum fines and fines overall to the court; if he does get fined, especially by that much, he would lose even more money. Even though this is not in the form of millions of dollars or even a million, Trump already does not have that much money.

Now, with that, if he were to win the election somehow, I think he could try to take money out of something government based, or do something related to taxes to try and replenish the money he has, if he wanted to. I might not be right on this, but it is just a thought of mine; plus, I thought he would be the kind of guy to do something like that.

Of course he would. He profiteered while president in his last term, so there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t do it again.

Boru

Yep. I know he did the profiteering thing as president in his last term as you said, so no surprise there.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
More important than any fines or jail time is that Trump will run the appeal scheme all the way to SCOTUS if he fails to win the presidency. He will be a convicted felon in name only until the appeals process runs out or he pardons himself. A pardon is a formal admission of guilt, however.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(May 7, 2024 at 1:56 pm)Nanny Wrote: More important than any fines or jail time is that Trump will run the appeal scheme all the way to SCOTUS if he fails to win the presidency. He will be a convicted felon in name only until the appeals process runs out or he pardons himself. A pardon is a formal admission of guilt, however.

It’s unclear whether a President can self-pardon, but with this Court, one never knows.

Anyway, the stuff in New York is a state crime. Presidential pardons only apply to federal offenses.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
I pardon myself all the time.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
Beg pardon?
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(May 7, 2024 at 2:57 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Beg pardon?

You can stand back up. I am rarely affected by emotional appeals.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
(May 7, 2024 at 3:00 pm)Foxaèr Wrote:
(May 7, 2024 at 2:57 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Beg pardon?

You can stand back up. I am rarely affected by emotional appeals.

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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
A quick temp reading of the magasphere.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1786519901277982755
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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