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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 12:46 pm
(September 11, 2023 at 12:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Actually, since Jehovah stopped Abraham, that kinda makes him anti child sacrifice - he substituted a ram for Isaac.
The point of the fable seems to be that the Hebrews were better than the neighbouring pagans because their god doesn’t sacrifice children.
Boru
Jehovah? Are you a witness? That seemed an odd thing to call him.
No. The point of the fable is blind obedience is expected. You're expected to trust this god and do whatever he asks even if it's child sacrifice. Even if the kid is your own.
Like I SAID Abraham didn't expect to be stopped. His example is held up as one to be followed, having so much faith he was willing to kill a child for his god.
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 1:34 pm
"The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away."
Abraham & Sarah(the one who laughed), were resigned to the fact that they would not
have a child. So, they both knew that Isaac was a "gift" from God. They also understood
and witnessed God's Power!
You, have no evidence of the Power of God. At least none that you acknowledge.
So, why would you understand any of it?
If I had to look at it as a neutral bystander? I'd say: "...give that guy w/ Power what He wants, and what is His."
Because, POWER is all that people really understand... Whoever may wield it!
Amen
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 1:42 pm
(September 11, 2023 at 1:34 pm)ronedee Wrote: "The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away."
Abraham & Sarah(the one who laughed), were resigned to the fact that they would not
have a child. So, they both knew that Isaac was a "gift" from God. They also understood
and witnessed God's Power!
You, have no evidence of the Power of God. At least none that you acknowledge.
So, why would you understand any of it?
If I had to look at it as a neutral bystander? I'd say: "...give that guy w/ Power what He wants, and what is His."
Because, POWER is all that people really understand... Whoever may wield it!
Amen
You need therapy.
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 2:26 pm
(September 11, 2023 at 12:46 pm)zwanzig Wrote: (September 11, 2023 at 12:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Actually, since Jehovah stopped Abraham, that kinda makes him anti child sacrifice - he substituted a ram for Isaac.
The point of the fable seems to be that the Hebrews were better than the neighbouring pagans because their god doesn’t sacrifice children.
Boru
Jehovah? Are you a witness? That seemed an odd thing to call him.
No. The point of the fable is blind obedience is expected. You're expected to trust this god and do whatever he asks even if it's child sacrifice. Even if the kid is your own.
Like I SAID Abraham didn't expect to be stopped. His example is held up as one to be followed, having so much faith he was willing to kill a child for his god.
It the Tetragrammaton. What’s so odd about it?
Boru
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 2:28 pm
(September 11, 2023 at 1:34 pm)ronedee Wrote: "The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away."
Abraham & Sarah(the one who laughed), were resigned to the fact that they would not
have a child. So, they both knew that Isaac was a "gift" from God. They also understood
and witnessed God's Power!
You, have no evidence of the Power of God. At least none that you acknowledge.
So, why would you understand any of it?
If I had to look at it as a neutral bystander? I'd say: "...give that guy w/ Power what He wants, and what is His."
Because, POWER is all that people really understand... Whoever may wield it!
Amen
So, people with power should be given whatever they want? You might want to think that through.
Boru
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 2:30 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2023 at 2:30 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
A christian should know that the sacrifice of isaac wasn't about weilding absolute power, but about establishing the legitimacy and details of christs sacrifice. Personally, I think the most interesting detail of the story is that abraham walked down the mountain alone.
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 2:50 pm
(September 11, 2023 at 2:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It the Tetragrammaton. What’s so odd about it?
Boru
I have only heard the name Jehovah used primarily by Jehovah's Witnesses. I thought you mighta caught that from how I asked about it, but I guess not. ^^;;
I thought Yahweh was how it was used in reference to that. ...but then again, Mormons think the true name of the god character is Elohim(which is just another version of the same thing, correct?). It just struck me as odd, that's all.
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 3:36 pm
The OT god certainly liked killing.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 3:39 pm
And foreskins
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RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 11, 2023 at 3:42 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2023 at 3:43 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(September 11, 2023 at 2:50 pm)zwanzig Wrote: (September 11, 2023 at 2:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It the Tetragrammaton. What’s so odd about it?
Boru
I have only heard the name Jehovah used primarily by Jehovah's Witnesses. I thought you mighta caught that from how I asked about it, but I guess not. ^^;;
I thought Yahweh was how it was used in reference to that. ...but then again, Mormons think the true name of the god character is Elohim(which is just another version of the same thing, correct?). It just struck me as odd, that's all.
Jehovah, Yahweh, and YHWH are all the same word.
Boru
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