teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
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I used to contemplate God while listening to the beautiful music at Mass. The superficial music they play at Protestant churches is just emotional candy.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 17, 2024 at 12:53 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2024 at 12:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
If there were such a thing as art history malpractice, it would probably include using black artists as a demonstration of how the christians aren't somber and joyless. There's a bit of a reason for the disparity..this exception strongly demonstrating the rule. IDK how widespread this is anywhere else, but in the south, plenty of catholics go to black baptist churches instead of or in addition to mass. Guess they're wrong about the quality of the entertainment too.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I can testify to that. The music is like night and day.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Somber and joyless was being in the 6th grade and music class consisting of learning funeral dirges for the people who wanted the Catholic funeral mass for their family member to be sung by children.
***Come to his aid ooohhhh saints of god, hasten to meet him, angels of the lord... And other happy stuff like that. The nun who taught us was Sr. Joann..pronounced JoAhn...who was a tiny little thing who looked like a half-starved crow. She was so damned excited to teach us these songs of death. “If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius 
This music talk has given me an idea for a new novel title. Moonsung.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
Part and parcel of their night and day difference in the experience of western religion. It was an amusing bit of culture shock to me, when we moved to kentucky, to find that the catholic churches were often the black churches. Guess what....their services are better too.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 17, 2024 at 4:30 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2024 at 4:32 pm by Gwaithmir.
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The burden of proof lies on he who alleges. Religious people should know that I’m perfectly willing to believe in god(s), ghosts, mediums, demons, angels, spirits, channeling, miracles, horoscopes, astrology, psychics, Ouija boards, the supernatural, and anything else for that matter as long as they adhere to one proviso: Prove it! Don’t give me speculation, guesses, hopes, dreams, wishes, desires, beliefs, faith (or appeals to faith), or indoctrinations. Don’t give me one-time-only, non-repeatable, non-testable events. Don’t give me internal alterations in one’s psychology or physiology that can’t be tested observed, or demonstrated, only felt or believed. And don’t give me effects that can’t be clearly related to the supposed cause.
I have no objection to believing in a god as long as proof based upon a rational standard of knowledge is forthcoming. Is that too much to ask? But surely theists can’t expect me to adopt their beliefs on the basis of what has been presented thus far. Every “proof” I’ve heard and every piece of evidence I’ve seen for the existence of god(s) is easily countered by rational evidence and arguments to the contrary. No convincing evidence for the existence of any deity has ever emerged. But I’m more than willing to listen to theistic arguments or view theistic evidence as long as cross-examination is permitted. As conditions now stand, theology rests far more on superstition and faith than upon facts and reason.
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 17, 2024 at 9:52 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2024 at 10:03 pm by Ahriman.)
(January 17, 2024 at 4:30 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: I have no objection to believing in a god as long as proof based upon a rational standard of knowledge is forthcoming. Is that too much to ask? But surely theists can’t expect me to adopt their beliefs on the basis of what has been presented thus far. Every “proof” I’ve heard and every piece of evidence I’ve seen for the existence of god(s) is easily countered by rational evidence and arguments to the contrary. No convincing evidence for the existence of any deity has ever emerged. But I’m more than willing to listen to theistic arguments or view theistic evidence as long as cross-examination is permitted. As conditions now stand, theology rests far more on superstition and faith than upon facts and reason. Lol right, because you don't want it to be true. And yes, you are asking too much.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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