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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm)Andrastos Wrote:
LOL your allowed to think that, God gave you free will!
(June 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Andrastos Wrote:
I just did!
einstein believed in a God too, did you know that?
Einstein did not believe in a God (read up on your facts), but he did say that only two things are infinite, and that would be the universe and human stupidity. And he wasn't sure about the universe. I think you proved that point quite well.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm)Andrastos Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 1:21 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: 99.9999% of the Universe is hard vacuum.
99.9999% of what's left is flaming nuclear fireballs.
99.9999% of what's left from that is cold interstellar gas.
99.9999% of what's left from that is barren, airless balls of rock or gas giants, neither of which can sustain life.
99.9999% of what's left from that is barely habitable planets like Mars.
Then we come to Earth.
The Creator is an idiot. Or would be if one existed.
LOL your allowed to think that, God gave you free will!
You know, I could design a much better system than this. I guess that makes me smarter than your god.
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm)colubridae Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm)Andrastos Wrote: The presence of these mathematical series in creation, because of the order and design, can only suggest an intelligent Designer.
arguement from "I think this, therefore it's correct".
If you want to be mathematical, you are fractally wrong. That means you are wrong on every level.
Fail. Next contestant please.
Too hard for you hey, there is only one possible answer!
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 1:48 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Andrastos Wrote: einstein believed in a God too, did you know that?
This is well trodden ground around these here parts.
“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings” Albert Einstein.
"Through the reading of popular scientific books, I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true" Albert Einstein
In answer to the question, Do you believe in immortality? Einstein answered "No. And one life is enough for me!"
Enough on what an aging jew believed now I think
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Quote:I am of no religion
Bullshit. You're just another asshole.
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Andrastos - no one here has any problem with you believing in God.
Why can't you just leave it at that. Feel comforted in your own beliefs and let it be.
The problem always comes from people like you trying to get everyone else to believe it.
Sorry, there is NO tangible evidence to offer, and even though you may find the universe to be an amazing creation, your argument is one of an incredulous nature and you will always end up looking foolish.
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Quote:How is it possible that mathematics, a product of human thought that is independent of experience, fits so excellently the objects of physical reality?
Who said mathematics is independant of experience? Do we not have to experience a circle before we can mathematically describe it?
Quote:So what does all this have to do with belief in God? Well, these numbers, as well as many other numeric sequences, continually appear in what man calls nature, but what I call Creation.
Some might also call this a slippery slope. Others might call it special pleading. Triangles also appear in nature. It doesn't naturally follow that just because they appear in nature that God somehow exists.
Quote:The spirals of a pinecone have a clockwise rotation, and an anti-clockwise rotation, and in both cases if the number of spirals is counted in each rotation, each count will be a number contained within the Fibonacci series of numbers (8 and 13). The same principle applies to a pineapple as well, but the numbers of spirals are 13 and 23, still numbers appearing in the Fibonacci series.
Are you serious? The spirals in a pinecone are related to its growth. And such a pattern isn't restricted to pinecones. I think you confuse the math with the phenomenon. In other words, the math doesn't bring about the phenomenon. Quite the opposite is true. The math came about to describe the phenomenon. That it does it so elegantly is a testament to the skills of the mathematician to discover the pattern, not to the supposedly magical powers of the universe. Johannes Kepler observed that the ratio of consecutive Fibonacci numbers converges. A pinecone also converges. The comedian Gallagher noted that the pyramids ending in a point at the top indicated a civilation with diminishing goals. 'Oh my that must be proof of the divine!' Oh please!
On so on and so forth.
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 2:04 pm
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2011 at 2:05 pm by BloodyHeretic.)
Please read up on thermodynamics, chaos theory, infinite regress, the theory of evolution and maybe acquire some basic logic too.
Your conclusion is a non sequitur. Look that up too if you don't know.
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 2:10 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:31 pm)Darwinian Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm)Andrastos Wrote: LOL your allowed to think that, God gave you free will!
And will then presumably punish us for using it.
God doesn't punish anybody, God is a God of love! but we do reap what we sow!
It's called the law of compensation!
We actually punish ourselves, if we do wrong!
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 2:12 pm
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(June 8, 2011 at 2:10 pm)Andrastos Wrote: We actually punish ourselves, if we do wrong!
stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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