Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Little Rik]

If this universe would be the only thing that exist why is not able to satisfy our longing for peace of mind and total happiness?

Why should it?

Exactly, why should it?
The universe never meant to satisfy our longing for total happiness.
It is rather a place where we have the possibility to expand our consciousness.

As to your delusion, what, pray tell, would you be satisfied doing FOREVER!

Sorry IAT but your English sound like Arab to me.
Or maybe your intellectual jargon is too rich for Little Rik. 

Just when you thought you have had enough, it will be less than a scratch on ETERNITY!

Eternity is made up of time and place but time and place are the illusion of the creator of this universe
so once you go behind the illusion the eternity turn into the reality and the eternity is gone. 
Now this is my Arab language to you but don't worry IAT the eternity is here for you to learn Arab and a lot more. 

[Little Rik]

Don't be ridiculous Ton.
If this universe would be the only thing that exist why is not able to satisfy our longing for peace of mind and total happiness?

Maybe because "total happiness" is not possible?  Other than that, it seems to me that both peace of mind and happiness are quite common in the world.  Maybe you feel that they should be eternal and persistent states, but I don't see why that has to be the case.  It seems to me that peace of mind and happiness are transient states that depend on many factors, some of which we can control and some we cannot.  So we continue to strive to achieve peace of mind and happiness, and depending on our circumstances and our mental approach, we reach them from time to time.  Some people (like myself) reach them pretty regularly without resorting to spirit-worlds or intuitional science or metaphysics or whatever it is you believe is the only source of peace and happiness.

Thus, it seems the universe is doing a pretty good job of satisfying my longing for peace of mind and happiness.  As for total happiness, I'm not even sure what that is, but maybe the lack of it is proof that there are no gods, and no metaphysical realms, and no sciences that let us find it.  That seems like a reasonable conclusion to reach as well.  Maybe the problem isn't the universe.  Maybe some people are simply too greedy and unable to enjoy what they have.

Ok. let me see if your comment come from your deep consciousness or from your ar.e, sorry from your external mind.
Answer these questions correct please.
1) Why did you change your box monitor into a new flat screen despite the fact that the box was still going?
2) Last time you went to holiday you thought that you would have a really nice time but it turned to be the usual
setback with mosquitoes biting you with the fear that someone would rob your house while you are away, with
the rain that prevent you from going out, with getting ripped off in the hotel or restaurant and so on.
So how come that we carry with us the same amount of problems?
3) Why you are here in this forum?
If you are satisfy with what you got why you need to communicate with other people? 
Thanks for your comment. 

[Tonus]

Ok. let me see if your comment come from your deep consciousness or from your ar.e, sorry from your external mind.
Answer these questions correct please.
1) Why did you change your box monitor into a new flat screen despite the fact that the box was still going?

The flat screen was a better option.

2) Last time you went to holiday you thought that you would have a really nice time but it turned to be the usual
setback with mosquitoes biting you with the fear that someone would rob your house while you are away, with
the rain that prevent you from going out, with getting ripped off in the hotel or restaurant and so on.
So how come that we carry with us the same amount of problems?

The last time I went on holiday things went pretty well. Who is the "we" that "carry the same amount of problems?" What are you even trying to say?

3) Why you are here in this forum?

To discuss the topics with other people.

If you are satisfy with what you got why you need to communicate with other people?

What does one have to do with the other? I don't even understand what you're asking. Here's a question for you: can you try to make some sense, or is this gobbled-gook the best we can expect from you?

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make, but I strongly suspect it won't make a lick of sense.

[Angrboda]

Sure that..........We have evolved to struggle.  It's what keeps the species alive..........
But what this has to do with the fact that we are or are not spiritual beings?
You rather should explain why while our longing are infinite the material-physical world is not.
I just explained to you by telling you that our goal can not possibly be this material
world because this world is in no position to satisfy our thirst for infinite peace of mind and happiness
so if it is not here has got to be elsewhere.

It doesn't have to be anywhere. You're assuming that our thirst must be satisfied in some way. It doesn't.

We can have hungers that can't be satisfied. It isn't illogical. It just is what it is.

[Cyberman]

If you are satisfy with what you got why you need to communicate with other people?

What does one have to do with the other? I don't even understand what you're asking. Here's a question for you: can you try to make some sense, or is this gobbled-gook the best we can expect from you?

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make, but I strongly suspect it won't make a lick of sense.

At this point it's basically "if the square on the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides, why is a mouse when it spins?"

Only less rationally.

[Little Rik]

Sure that..........We have evolved to struggle.  It's what keeps the species alive..........
But what this has to do with the fact that we are or are not spiritual beings?
You rather should explain why while our longing are infinite the material-physical world is not.
I just explained to you by telling you that our goal can not possibly be this material
world because this world is in no position to satisfy our thirst for infinite peace of mind and happiness
so if it is not here has got to be elsewhere.

It doesn't have to be anywhere.  You're assuming that our thirst must be satisfied in some way.  It doesn't.

We can have hungers that can't be satisfied.  It isn't illogical.  It just is what it is.

Let me think yog. 
First of all i am referring to peace of mind and the happiness coming from this state of consciousness not to the thirst for material-physical desires.
It seem to me obvious that material-physical desires can never be satisfied because human being are more than physical.
If mother nature is in no position to fulfill our spiritual desire (peace of mind) then mother nature is illogical and therefore rubbish.
Why mother nature would allow us to build so much consciousness in us and then having to throw all to the dogs?
It just doesn't make any sense.
If mother nature would be so bad then why it last so long and perform so well?
This is what i called ILLOGICAL.
But of course mother nature is not illogical.
My believe is that only those who think it is are illogical.    

[Little Rik]

What does one have to do with the other?  I don't even understand what you're asking.  Here's a question for you: can you try to make some sense, or is this gobbled-gook the best we can expect from you?

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make, but I strongly suspect it won't make a lick of sense.

At this point it's basically "if the square on the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides, why is a mouse when it spins?"

Only less rationally.

Oh, yeah.
This is the real cream.
The golden ambrosia.
The royal jelly of philosophy.
Unfortunately Little Rik can not grasp the soul
and the core of your deep thoughts although i realized the sublime meaning.
Well done Stim.
A kudo may follow. 

[Little Rik]

Ok. let me see if your comment come from your deep consciousness or from your ar.e, sorry from your external mind.
Answer these questions correct please.
1) Why did you change your box monitor into a new flat screen despite the fact that the box was still going?

The flat screen was a better option.

2) Last time you went to holiday you thought that you would have a really nice time but it turned to be the usual
setback with mosquitoes biting you with the fear that someone would rob your house while you are away, with
the rain that prevent you from going out, with getting ripped off in the hotel or restaurant and so on.
So how come that we carry with us the same amount of problems?

The last time I went on holiday things went pretty well.  Who is the "we" that "carry the same amount of problems?"  What are you even trying to say?

3) Why you are here in this forum?

To discuss the topics with other people.

If you are satisfy with what you got why you need to communicate with other people?

What does one have to do with the other?  I don't even understand what you're asking.  Here's a question for you: can you try to make some sense, or is this gobbled-gook the best we can expect from you?

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make, but I strongly suspect it won't make a lick of sense.

Well done Ton.
You are a champion.
When i will come to NY i will ask the boss there to erect a statue in your honor.
But let me explain why.
In the first question you didn't follow most of the rest of the human race that is always looking for the best of the best
in the material world and therefore show an attachment to what is material.
You of course are immune to attachment to material things therefore you are a superman.

Second question.
This question was about to see if what torment most of us also torment you.
But no, once again you are immune to torments.
You are a super-super man Ton. 
Usually the karma follow us wherever we go so if you are happy or unhappy in one place
the good or bad feeling would follow wherever you go.
You feel good wherever you are so you are a perfect or near perfect being.
Well done Ton.

Last question.
Why do you need to communicate?
Most of us mortals need the completeness within in order to feel satisfied.
So by communicate with other people we fill in part that gap.
This show our thirst for that knowledge that in part is able to quench our thirst.
But once again this is not your problem.
You just are here to discuss for the sake to discuss.
Well done Ton.
Three times superman.
I will not forget about the statue Ton.
I promise.          






 

[Tonus]

You of course are immune to attachment to material things therefore you are a superman.

This presumes a couple of things about materialism that seem incorrect.

1- If I replace a CRT with a flat screen because the flat screen is the better option, that doesn't make me immune to materialism.  It just means that some of my decisions are based (in small part, most likely) on rational considerations.  Since both items are material in nature, materialism factors in to some degree.

2- This seems to presume that materialism is bad.  There are few things that are good or bad in and of themselves.  A person can literally drink enough water to kill him.  Does that make water bad?  Is the person who only drinks as much as he needs "immune to an attachment to water"?

But no, once again you are immune to torments.

No, I'm just not neurotic.  Do you really spend your vacations so wracked by anxiety that you cannot enjoy yourself?  That's not normal IMO.  And being tolerant of risk isn't super-human.  It's something every human does, otherwise we could not function from day-to-day.

But once again this is not your problem.
You just are here to discuss for the sake to discuss.

Right.  As a social creature, I enjoy interaction with other humans.  I do this every day, whether online, or via the phone, or in person.  The benefits of such interaction outweigh the negatives.  Even this discussion, which is akin to holding a conversation with a spastic kitten, provides a greater benefit in the general scheme of things.  That I am able to learn while I do it is simply a perk.

This is very weird.  I was expecting you to try some sort of variation on the "you're not TRULY happy" approach, and I think that your response contains a bit of that.  But more than that, you seem to equate normal human behavior with something transcendent.  Really, it's not that hard to be happy or peaceful under the right circumstances, even without resorting to mystical woo-woo.  It's not effortless, as I mentioned before, but it's not always a struggle, either.

Could it be that your approach to life is actually making things harder on you?  Maybe you need to find a different approach?  Whatever you're doing might not be working all that well.

[Angrboda]

It doesn't have to be anywhere.  You're assuming that our thirst must be satisfied in some way.  It doesn't.

We can have hungers that can't be satisfied.  It isn't illogical.  It just is what it is.

Let me think yog. 
First of all i am referring to peace of mind and the happiness coming from this state of consciousness not to the thirst for material-physical desires.
It seem to me obvious that material-physical desires can never be satisfied because human being are more than physical.

What seems obvious to you is immaterial, no pun intended.

If mother nature is in no position to fulfill our spiritual desire (peace of mind) then mother nature is illogical and therefore rubbish.

Nature is perfectly logical.  You just don't understand it, so you apply motives to it which don't exist.

Why mother nature would allow us to build so much consciousness in us and then having to throw all to the dogs?

'Mother' nature didn't do anything.  We evolved to have big brains because they helped us succeed on the material-physical plane.

It just doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense to you.  It makes perfect sense to me.

If mother nature would be so bad then why it last so long and perform so well?

Calling it 'bad' is assigning your own values to nature.  It's neither good nor bad; it just is.

But of course mother nature is not illogical.
My believe is that only those who think it is are illogical.     

No, 'she' isn't illogical.  You simply don't understand 'her' logic.  Your belief is nothing but a confusion.

Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.
Ever desiring, one sees the manifestations.
These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness.


~ Laozi