Abradacabra: Not to derail this, but do you feel like fleshing out your gripes about modern set theory and such? All that pipe dream business.
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Do you believe in god or math?
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Well, I can see that you are totally misunderstanding where I'm coming from. You seem to think that I'm somehow attacking mathematical formalism and you seem to feel a need to defend it.
I'm not attacking mathematics. I'm just suggesting that there is plenty of room for improvement. So we may as well just leave it there. I'm really not interested in trying to convince you of anything. I just tried to address the concerns you posted but apparently I've failed in that attempt. No problem. 
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February 3, 2012 at 9:07 am
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There may be, but not those areas which you identified. Perhaps in some other area the point you were attempting to make is valid? Find them, focus on those. Maybe one day a theorem will be named after you.
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(February 3, 2012 at 8:54 am)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: Abradacabra: Not to derail this, but do you feel like fleshing out your gripes about modern set theory and such? All that pipe dream business. I wouldn't care to discuss anything with anyone who takes the vantage point that I'm "griping" about something. That would be a totally futile conversation.
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Any theory is going to have to stand up to extremely aggressive opposition somewhere.....
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 (February 3, 2012 at 9:10 am)Abracadabra Wrote: I wouldn't care to discuss anything with anyone who takes the vantage point that I'm "griping" about something. Well, I'm a math nerd so I like any conversation about set theory or whathaveyou. “The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
(February 3, 2012 at 9:16 am)Rhythm Wrote: Any theory is going to have to stand up to extremely aggressive opposition somewhere..... I have no problem with that. But I would at least like the debaters to give me the respect of being a valid debater myself and not just take the position that I'm griping about something. 
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Meh, for what it's worth, I don't think you're griping, just fundamentally incorrect.
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 RE: Do you believe in god or math?
February 3, 2012 at 9:49 am
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(February 3, 2012 at 9:10 am)Abracadabra Wrote: I wouldn't care to discuss anything with anyone who takes the vantage point that I'm "griping" about something. Gripes, qualms, contentions, misgivings, disagreements, whatever we end up calling them, you have some of them and they seem like they might be interesting. The logic of the things we say is invariant under our choices to sing, speak, type, or yell. Right? So would you like to elaborate on the allegations you made against modern set theory and whatnot? RE: Do you believe in god or math?
February 3, 2012 at 9:50 am
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(February 3, 2012 at 9:24 am)CliveStaples Wrote: Well, I'm a math nerd so I like any conversation about set theory or whathaveyou. Ok, well let's talk just a little bit about set theory and see if we have even remotely the same idea of what it even emtails. I would like to ask you the following questions just to get an idea of where you're coming from. 1. When do you believe that set theory first became a rigorous mathematical concept. 2. Who, if anyone, do you associate with introducing this concept formally to the mathematical community. (Feel free to name multiple mathematicians if you like) 3. Do you believe that the basic idea of a set was a required intuitive concept prior to this formalization? 4. What is the formal mathematical definition of number in general? If you believe there is more than one formal definition of number please explain as many as you can. (briefly) You can assume a simple cardinal definition here of the "Natural Numbers" or possible include a definition of Real Numbers if you like. You don't need to go off in la la land, speaking to the issues of imaginary numbers, complex numbers, irrational numbers, and so on. Let's try to keep this relatively basic. No need to make a essay out of it. I'm not going to pick at it. I'm just curious of how you think of these basic concepts. 5. What do you believe is the formal definition of the Number One? (feel free to give more than one definition if you like) 6. How would you define a "Set"? I have more questions, but these would be an interesting place to start. (February 3, 2012 at 9:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, for what it's worth, I don't think you're griping, just fundamentally incorrect. You don't even have a clue what I might propose and you already think I'm fundamentally incorrect. That's funny.
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