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God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
September 29, 2011 at 12:40 pm
God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
When reading the Bible, the facts show God as setting a ransom for forgiving man. That ransom was Jesus. God then sets the conditions to have Jesus murdered. Thus is how all sins, for all of eternal time, are forgiven. God does not do anything half way. After all, He would not want to break his own word and sin again.
Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Psa 49:7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him.
Father God screwed up and he is having his son Jesus bear the iniquity that he himself created. An insane act.
No sane God would waste a son so needlessly. This is obvious I think to most.
This is the conclusion that one must come to, if we make Jesus part of the Trinity. This is unacceptable, as God would not murder his son.
This kills the Trinity notion.
Otherwise, God Goes straight to hell for murder.
As above, so below. The believers duty is to follow God’s example. The first commandment.
If you would NOT do such, ( murder your own son ), and you are of the Abraham religions, then you are not a true follower. You have placed yourself above God.
Rather a catch 22.
The genocide of Noah’s day would also be an example of God profiting from murder. At a wholesale price. It boils down to God having a reality that he did not like, to a position of God having a reality that he liked better. Strangely, some even say that God does not change.
The God that I know does not work that way.
If your God does, and you follow this God, you should question why you do.
To follow your God, you would have to be willing to kill your own children, as well as use genocide on the rest of mankind, as you follow an unfathomable, impossible to understand, alien God.
How does that make you feel?
Poorly I hope. Does it make you want to trade in your God for a new and improved model?
One who will not ask you to go insane with him. All that just because he found something that he did not create. Iniquity. This, God had to learn as he had not known it was in him.
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RE: God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
September 29, 2011 at 12:49 pm
(September 29, 2011 at 12:40 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Does it make you want to trade in your God for a new and improved model? You... do realise you're on a forum intended for atheists... right?
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RE: God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
September 29, 2011 at 1:07 pm
lol, Yeah, you wont get a lot of traction unless you put "evolution" or "evidence" in your OP. Then the fundies will come out of the holes in the walls. Give it a go sometime.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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September 29, 2011 at 1:21 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2011 at 1:24 pm by Greatest I am.)
(September 29, 2011 at 12:49 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: (September 29, 2011 at 12:40 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Does it make you want to trade in your God for a new and improved model? You... do realise you're on a forum intended for atheists... right?
Yes.
And showing those with social conscience how it is done.
A good atheist taught me how and I thought I would pass it on.
A great free thinker.
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(September 29, 2011 at 1:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: lol, Yeah, you wont get a lot of traction unless you put "evolution" or "evidence" in your OP. Then the fundies will come out of the holes in the walls. Give it a go sometime.
Time will tell my friend.
Is the conclusion logical and sound?
Don't just be a pretty face. Speak.
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RE: God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
September 29, 2011 at 1:29 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2011 at 1:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I'd say that attempting to draw a logical or sound conclusion from an illogical and unsound premise is going to be pretty rough work. If one were to swallow the koolaid, we'd only be arguing over interpretation and context wouldn't we? Which is exactly what we see over and over again. If you wish to maintain that your god is kinder, or somehow more morally upright than anyone elses, in reality, not just as an idea....you'll have to provide evidence for your own god.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
September 29, 2011 at 1:31 pm
I profited from murder once.
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RE: God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
September 29, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Don't even get me started on that, it's depressing..lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
October 5, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Quote: (September 29, 2011 at 1:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'd say that attempting to draw a logical or sound conclusion from an illogical and unsound premise is going to be pretty rough work.
Is it not said that men of intelligence can discuss issues that they do not believe in?
Quote: If one were to swallow the koolaid, we'd only be arguing over interpretation and context wouldn't we?
Our choice.
Quote: Which is exactly what we see over and over again. If you wish to maintain that your god is kinder, or somehow more morally upright than anyone elses, in reality, not just as an idea....you'll have to provide evidence for your own god.
This was not supposed to be about my notions of God.
All discussions of God, in terms of existence and fathomable-ness, are speculative at best and nonsense at worst.
Analyzing the morality shown may be fruitful though.
But the God you follow, God as a set of moral rules, also exceed the moral position of the genocidal God. Does it not?
Would you use genocide as a form of justice?
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RE: God. Profit from Murder and Genocide? Get serious.
October 5, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Quote:That ransom was Jesus
Um, wait. God = jesus...or so most of the morons think. Doesn't that mean he held himself hostage?
Reminds me of this scene from Blazing Saddles.
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