@Grandizer

WinterHold, exactly!

I mean this for Fake Messiah of ocurse

Still, that doesn't honestly answer the question I posed. You still went back to the Gulf example. Are there not Muslim countries in which slavery is not a widespread issue (in your view and according to your research)?

Quoting the link @Fake Messiah brought: "Nine out of 10 Kuwaiti homes have a domestic worker - they come from some of the poorest parts of the world to the Gulf, aiming to make enough money to support their family at home. "

@Fake Messiah isn't it misleading to bring a problem in Kuwait and generalize it on the whole Muslim world ??

@Fake Messiah: but the link said "9 out of 10 KUWAITI homes have a domestic maid... how is that slavery in the whole Muslim world?

By the way, yes, that's bad. But I just find how you reason things on the spot very curious.

In the article you just linked to, why is that all of a sudden considered slavery if it's paid work (no matter how measly the amount)? Didn't you have a more narrow definition of slavery earlier?

Because in Muslim countries where slavery is illegal the laws are just symbolic and people don't pay much attention to them and still have slaves in 9 out of 10 homes https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50228549

Can you explain why it is then that slavery is forbidden in many, perhaps most, Muslim countries?

I'm not saying its justified I'm just saying it's not slavery. And prison system could be reformed since it's democracy, while Islam isn't democracy.

If you work out the definitions carefully enough, you can show that their slavery is real slavery and bad, while our slavery isn't real slavery, so it's OK. Every society feels its own version is justified.

Slave is considered property and could be mistreated or killed at the whims of the owner. Slavery is also permanent, inherited, and even passed on to offspring. Prisoners are paid, even if it's in nothing more than remission of their crimes. Slaves receive no recompense whatsoever.

The American prison system is immoral in every sense of the term.

They're having prisoners in NorCal fight fires right now, then they can't even get a job doing it after they're out because felons can't get hired anywhere

It's state-sanctioned slavery in the 21st century

And obviously not every prisoner is a murderer. In fact the vast majority of prisoners in the US are resoundingly NOT murderers.We have the largest prison population in the world. We have private prison system that rely on arrests to make profits, and when they don't have enough inmates they outsource "penal labor" to major corporations like Walmart

According to the 13th amendment it is

That said, ‘penal labour’ and ‘slavery’ aren’t remotely the same thing.