(July 23, 2015 at 4:55 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: I just had an idea for the OP:

Why don't you put a sign up in your shop window stating that you'd prefer not to bake cakes for same-sex weddings? It won't be considered discrimination because you're not saying you refuse to do it, and it will keep the gays away because they'd probably prefer not to spend their money at an establishment who doesn't want to serve them.

Of course, you'll probably lose business from other parties (like me) because of the perceived bigotry you possess, but at least it will keep the gays away from asking you to bake cakes for their weddings.

Pretty much.  While I'm not gay, my wife is Bi, and therefore very much a proponent of LGBT rights, which I am as well.  You would lose my business, and my respect.

(July 23, 2015 at 5:53 pm)Spooky Wrote:  You would lose my business, and my respect.

That shit is looong gone.

I'm gonna have to remember this guys handle and come in at the end, like with Randy's. Read it backwards and it is fucking insane hilarious.

(July 23, 2015 at 4:55 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Of course, you'll probably lose business from other parties (like me) because of the perceived bigotry you possess, but at least it will keep the gays away from asking you to bake cakes for their weddings.

I believe a regulation like this- asserting that if you want to discriminate, you have to post signs, was once proposed and roundly denounced by the same homophobes who wish to discriminate in the first place, which really puts the whole situation in sharp relief: they want to discriminate, but they want to be shielded from every consequence of their actions in the process. If even one negative effect comes to them from their own behavior, they cry persecution.

Get this through your thick skull, no one here isanti human rights merely for pointing out that religions even before the earliest first written traditions, ARE ALL human inventions.

Holding a belief is not our issue, but the credibility of the claim. The truth of all religions is that they are all man made and cause far too much human division.

(July 23, 2015 at 3:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Protected classes are required when there is a compelling state interest to interfere with the free market.

Free market? It would probably raze your sanity if you knew how many things in your household inventory are there because some already married homosexual had a hand in its conception, design, manufacture, transport, or retail.

The ideological free market you invoke is predicated on rational actors, which human history is replete with examples to the contrary. The compelling state interest has nothing to do with the free market, the state's interest is in protecting a minority of its citizens from being discriminated against based on a significant number of the population blindly accepting the dictates of a bronze age goat fucking control freak for something that causes harm to nobody.

Free market arguments for continuing the prohibition of same sex marriage? How fucking desperate.

He came back and I missed it xD

Not that he actually responded to my rational thread.

(July 23, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(July 23, 2015 at 1:15 pm)omnomnom Wrote: Baking wedding cakes for such marriages *makes me feel guilty* about disobeying my conscience. Disobeying my conscience by baking it can result in bad sexual karma and I don't want to risk it.

There's a solution for that: don't bake any wedding cakes. That way you won't run afoul of anti-discrimination laws, and you won't be risking your conscience. I mean, there's no requirement that you make wedding cakes, but there is a requirement that whatever products you do sell, you need to sell to everyone that wants one. There's a reason for those laws, they protect all of us, and you don't get to pick and choose which ones apply to you when their blanket nature is the whole point.

Just stop baking wedding cakes, if you're not confident in your ability to bake wedding cakes for all your customers. It's that easy.

Quote: On the other side, Not baking wedding cakes for gays makes lawsuits and I will have my business ruined and me and my brother will have to pack for India and be poor again.

You mentioned the Colorado bakery that got fined in a gay marriage dispute in your first post... you are aware that they weren't fined for not making the cake, right? They were fined because they retaliated to a formal complaint against them by posting the personal details of the gay couple online without their consent and incited harassment against them from other christians, up to and including threatening their children. That payout was due to the mental anguish the couple suffered for the baker's actions unrelated to cakes.

Quote: Thus, I want some support for my Liberty of Conscience rights. Its a tricky issue. I came here to vent this issue and get support but no support except for two nice dudes (thanx @homeless nutter)

You have your freedom of beliefs, but those don't trump every other law. Your religious freedoms have never extended to what you're allowed to do with your business, so you're asking for support for a right you never had.

Great idea. Thanx. Why didn't you tell me this before? Why was eveyone a dick about this instead of understanding the issue. At any rate, thanx for the solution: No wedding cakes for anybody. I might lose some money but its better than being lawsuits at. Thanx and good luck.

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(July 23, 2015 at 11:28 am)Rahul Wrote:

(July 23, 2015 at 10:00 am)omnomnom Wrote: In my eyes anything except traditional marriage is immoral and I have the right to believe what I want you Marxist asshole and you KNOW I'm not being a discriminatory fundamentalist. *You don't fucking tell me what to believe*. Don't Impose your shit into me or I swear I'll pray to karma to burn your bigoted ass for all the pain and suffering that I get.

My job is to do what is RIGHT and MORAL ultimately. And if that means refusing wedding cakes, its your fault that you're just a butthurt asshole thats threatening me to go against my beliefs on pain of business failure.

lol Marxist? Me? Where did that come from?

Discriminating against homosexuals having a wedding is discrimination. That's...well that's obvious. You don't have to believe in it. No one is saying that. But you are still not allowed to legally discriminate against someone.

And please do pray your buddhist chants to "burn my bigoted ass". I would be honored that you could find the time to include me. Would you mind letting me know the exact prayer you use? I'd cherish the memento.

Your job running a cake business would be to supply cakes to paying customers. As a member of our society you are legally obligated not to discriminate against people. Selling a cake is not immoral. Even if you sell it to someone you consider an immoral person.

No need to insult me anymore. Some dude got me a solution. You are Rahul an Indian yeah.? Why didn't you understand my cause then? Kya hoga yaar? Ap ko nahi samajte? You know how things are in India and at least you could have been on my side. I'm disappointed in you. It doesn't matter, some non-desi mleccha helped me out. If I see you again, I won't service you to my fucking bakery even if you are a millionaire.

(July 23, 2015 at 11:04 pm)omnomnom Wrote: No wedding cakes for anybody.

Amen. Where was your stupid influential ass over 20 years ago when I needed you? Nominally Christian woman married a fire breathing atheist. Would this combination have fit your ideal? I would have been glad not to have paid for cake. Even the Pentecostals gave up cardboard tasting cake to go to the bar with us.

Cake is an expensive wedding sideshow tradition. It serves no real purpose and delays people getting to the bar. Fuck wedding cake. My next opportunity is when my grandchildren marry 20+ year from now, but it gives me time to plan. No fucking cake!

I think for my wedding we are going to deliberately buck all the traditions. No cake, Pastafarian reverend, we'll stomp on a brandy snifter for no reason.