(September 2, 2015 at 4:53 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: We pull from kill shelters all the time and have a network of foster homes to get these guys adopted out to loving homes.

Kudos for that and I would rep you again for that, if I could. You know, the mere existence of kill shelters appall me. That's an unknown where I live. If an animal goes to the shelter for one reason or the other it's cared for, for as long as it takes to find someone to adopt.

(September 2, 2015 at 4:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(September 2, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Well thats simply because you can survive without an orgasm, and obtain the orgasm without bestially and on the other hand you need food to survive and humans are evolved for a diet that includes meat.

Perhaps back in the day this is true, but now a days, at least in 1st world countries, most of us have access to plenty of foods with protein. We no longer need animal meats to survive.

Ever try going full vegan before? I was a vegetarian that still ate eggs and dairy for atleast 6 months and I still had to take diet supplements for iron. So yes while is possible to survive in the modern world as a vegan it is terrible for your health and a huge pain in the ass if you do social things. For places without pharmacies on every corner it can very well kill you.

(September 2, 2015 at 5:09 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Does it make me a hypocrite though that I'm fine eating meat, but think it's bad to let a dog eat peanut butter off my dick? Ummm, how the fuck do we reach that conclusion?

It's all about consent.

It's ok if you don't ask the animal whether it minds if you kill it but if you lick it's ass then you did a bad bad thing.

The animal is much better off if you fuck it in the ass than kill it but you just write off the killing as "I'm hungry so nom nom nom".

It's sex. We evolved subconscious attitudes toward all sorts of sexual activity which can't be reasoned from utility, empathy or any of the usual moral bases. Our attitudes towards bestiality are yet another example that we don't reason our way to our morals, we have a moral intuition and then we try to rationalize why. Bestiality is a clear example of this. It's an unconscious intuition that evolved for reasons we don't fully understand. Perhaps bestiality just bred itself out of the species. But that wouldn't explain the revulsion and taboo.

I don't know the reason why we have evolved to avoid bestiality, but it appears clear that we did.

(September 2, 2015 at 1:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol, ok. So I know how this looks. 

Let me first say that I'm definitely against it. And that I am NOT  equating this to gay marriage or anything like that. This is a completely independent issue.   

I am curious to know though, what is the secular argument for why beastiality acts should be illegal? I know you will all say that animals can't give consent, but if you're doing it in such a way that is not hurting them physically, mentally, or emotionally, and if they don't understand sex or what is going on, then why would we need their consent for it? We don't need their consent to do anything else to them as long as we're not hurting them. So why should sex acts be any different if sex can be purely a physical thing and nothing more, as I'm assuming most of you believe? Let's say someone puts peanut butter or something on their own private parts, for example. Why should that be illegal if the animal is just licking peanut butter and isn't being hurt in any way?    

Along with the fact that it's just completely ew, my core reason for thinking it's immoral go together with my religious beliefs regarding sexual morality, so I'd like to hear the reasons from someone who is not motivated by religious beliefs.    

Throughout this thread, I will be playing devil's advocate, and I'm sure it'll get gross and taboo. But make no mistake, I do not support these acts in any way shape or form.

https://youtu.be/XKMJDQBTZv0

I'm so, so sorry

I wouldn't put peanut butter on my balls and let the dog lick it because the fucker might decide to take a bite.

Here is the simple way to solve this issue.

(September 2, 2015 at 6:17 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: It's sex.  We evolved subconscious attitudes toward all sorts of sexual activity which can't be reasoned from utility, empathy or any of the usual moral bases.  Our attitudes towards bestiality are yet another example that we don't reason our way to our morals, we have a moral intuition and then we try to rationalize why.  Bestiality is a clear example of this.  It's an unconscious intuition that evolved for reasons we don't fully understand.  Perhaps bestiality just bred itself out of the species.  But that wouldn't explain the revulsion and taboo.

I don't know the reason why we have evolved to avoid bestiality, but it appears clear that we did.

Best explanation I've seen thus far.

(September 2, 2015 at 6:17 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I don't know the reason why we have evolved to avoid bestiality, but it appears clear that we did.

Google beastiality, horse penis, dog penis. You will find that it is not evolved out as of yet.

It's amazing what will fit in a woman's honey hole.

Referring to the opening post, I think it's a stretch to say "animals don't understand what's going on" when a human tries to have sex with them.

Humans don't have a monopoly on sex. Animals understand sex, they do have it too in case you didn't notice. In any case I'm pretty sure they're going to notice if they have a 6 inch object rammed into them, let's be real.

Why does everything have to be "a secular argument" as well? All secularism means is detaching religion from the state and removing religious privilege. Beastiality doesn't need "a secular argument", if you can't work out already why beastiality is an abuse of animal rights then you don't need to be let loose on the streets.