(February 13, 2016 at 12:45 pm)pool the great Wrote: Does cops clocking people for no reason count as murder?
What about idiots that accidently clock family members?
Does that count as murder?
I think the point of putting regulations on guns is to minimize gun related deaths - not all homicides.
So saying since gun regulations don't bring down overall murder rates and hence should be nullified is kind of...meaningless dontya think? Since the whole point of gun regulations is to control gun related deaths..
There could be whole lots of reasons why the overall murder rates didnt go down even after banning guns..like an increase in mugging(gone bad) or gang activities(or increase in other criminal activities that led to murder)...but the point of gun regulations isnt about decreasing the overall murder rates is it?Its about decreasing gun related deaths and whether a decrease in gun related deaths have an impact on the overall murder rate is irrelevant dontya think?

As already pointed out by those more apprised of the facts than I, gun-related deaths are quite infinitesimal (that means approaching zero percent by an extremely narrow margin, just in case you don't understand big words) compared to gun-related deaths. Banning cars, hot objects, or anything which may fall on an unwary kid's head would work just as well in preventing accidents, although it would not even approach the effectiveness of gun locks and proper storage. Therefore, I'll get behind proper storage and gun locks, and we can leave it at that.


As demonstrated by British murder stats, gun-related homicides (which represent the overwhelming majority of gun-related deaths) are not caused by guns, but the motivation to kill - remove the gun, and the killing will happen anyway, one way or another.

Quote:I think the point of putting regulations on guns is to minimize gun related deaths - not all homicides.

Please move on, there's nothing to see here!

Thats like saying car related deaths are not caused by cars but carelessness, remove the car and it'll still happen.
I think we ought to not assert gun related deaths wouldve happened without guns one way or another...we simply cannot know..
Plus if gun regulations bring down a tiny percentage of deaths no matter how small it's still lives saved,who knows that saved lifes could be you or one of your family..?

(February 13, 2016 at 1:12 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 13, 2016 at 12:55 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: Oh, and yes, I do think the murder rate would increase if guns were more readily available, they're the murder tool of cowards way too often.

I agree, but lets not throw the word "coward" around, that is a point of view issue. They think a weapon makes them brave. And the issue of making more guns easier to get is not an issue of getting them legally or illegally, but the volume made and ease of access no matter how you obtain them.

More guns is insane considering the amount of gun deaths and gun injuries we already have.

I stand by my statement that cowards use guns to kill people. They don't want to get hurt themselves so there's no "up close and personal".

(February 13, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(February 13, 2016 at 1:12 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I agree, but lets not throw the word "coward" around, that is a point of view issue. They think a weapon makes them brave. And the issue of making more guns easier to get is not an issue of getting them legally or illegally, but the volume made and ease of access no matter how you obtain them.

More guns is insane considering the amount of gun deaths and gun injuries we already have.

I stand by my statement that cowards use guns to kill people. They don't want to get hurt themselves so there's no "up close and personal".

The bow isn't much different, so why not ban the bow?

Oh, and how very ironic that it was the English who perfected killing with the longbow!

NOT that cowardice or killing describes 99.9% of American gun owners, so again, Please. Move. On!

(February 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(February 13, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: I stand by my statement that cowards use guns to kill people. They don't want to get hurt themselves so there's no "up close and personal".

The bow isn't much different, so why not ban the bow?

Oh, and how very ironic that it was the English who perfected killing with the longbow!

NOT that cowardice or killing describes 99.9% of American gun owners, so again, Please. Move. On!

The bow takes some skill. The gun any dumbass can kill with. Three year olds kill their 9 year old brothers with them. 

And where do you get your numbers on those brave American gun owners? 

Really, your manhood IS on the line here, it's obvious that you believe this.

(February 13, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: Really, your manhood IS on the line here, it's obvious that you believe this.

Listen up, Hunnycunt - you really do NOT want to go there! But I'll let it slide because nobody resorts to that sort of schooyard shit unless they can no longer convincingly press their case, and their ego depends on their fantasized ability to do that, right or wrong.

(February 13, 2016 at 1:44 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(February 13, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: Really, your manhood IS on the line here, it's obvious that you believe this.

Listen up, Hunnycunt - you really do NOT want to go there! But I'll let it slide because nobody resorts to that sort of schooyard shit unless they can no longer convincingly press their case, and their ego depends on their fantasized ability to do that, right or wrong.

So what kind of school yard shit have you been pumping out here?

Quote:The bow isn't much different, so why not ban the bow?

Takes a great deal of training to kill with a bow.  Guns?  Not so much.

Ever wonder why European armies went to firearms as opposed to bows?  It was because it took a long time to properly train an archer whereas any rube off the farm could be taught to load and fire a musket in a couple of weeks.

And I agree with Gawd.  Guns may not be the weapon of "cowards" per se but they certainly level the playing field in favor of the 98 pound weakling.

(February 13, 2016 at 1:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:The bow isn't much different, so why not ban the bow?

Takes a great deal of training to kill with a bow.  Guns?  Not so much.

Ever wonder why European armies went to firearms as opposed to bows?  It was because it took a long time to properly train an archer whereas any rube off the farm could be taught to load and fire a musket in a couple of weeks.

And I agree with Gawd.  Guns may not be the weapon of "cowards" per se but they certainly level the playing field in favor of the 98 pound weakling.

Yep, and the "Lady's Special .32 cal. five shot revolver" struck more that one blow for equal rights.

(February 13, 2016 at 1:51 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(February 13, 2016 at 1:44 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Listen up, Hunnycunt - you really do NOT want to go there! But I'll let it slide because nobody resorts to that sort of schooyard shit unless they can no longer convincingly press their case, and their ego depends on their fantasized ability to do that, right or wrong.

  So what kind of school yard shit have you been pumping out here?