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Ash Wednesday
#31
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@ padraic I am not going to sit here and give you a list of all the books I have read just to show you that I have read books on anthropology.I have read the apocryphal books as well and it just goes to show that any religious source material is unreliable as a historic document since it is nothing more than midrash.I dont see how any study of religion from a biblical perspective could even fall under anthropology since it has nothing valid to say about human origins except that that has been said in so many other ancient myths.Mans own guess at his origins based on superstitions.

Regarding my arguments from ignorance you are the one who is ignorant.You are so brain washed by your so called higher learning that you cant even make up your mind where you stand on the whole existence of God issue lol.Agnostic atheist is how you classify yourself step back and be a little more practical and you will see that there is no God.
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#32
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With respect Chatpilot,

If you knew what the term agnostic atheist implied (i.e. someone who is almost certain there is no god, but cannot prove it definetivley) You would see that you are, in actual fact arguing from an illogical position! Unless you have such definitive proof as to justify being a "Gnostic Atheist"

Sam

[Edit] - On checking quickly I can see that myself, EvF, Adrian and a number of other posters here all present our views as Agnostic Atheism ...
"We need not suppose more things to exist than are absolutely neccesary." William of Occam

"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt" William Shakespeare (Measure for Measure: Act 1, Scene 4)

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#33
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#34
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I know what an agnostic atheist is and I personally do not consider myself one because I have studied enough to prove to myself that God does not exist.It might not be evident to you but that is your opinion.I have been a fundamental pentecostal evangelist and have studied theology from a believers perspective.After leaving the church I sought out explanations in various fields trying to find explanations for my personal experiences in the ministry.I have come to the conclusion that most of those experiences are psychological and not spiritual in nature.

Honestly speaking you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God but I am simply stating as I have above that I have found enough evidence that convinces me that he does not exist.That is all I am saying.It might not seem like a logical position to argue from but it is the position I have chosen based on my own independent studies and experiences.
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#35
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#36
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Great post Adrian...

Btw in case you don't know I think I found a typo in your scale of belief article, from the article:

"Strong Gnostic Atheist - Disbelieves in God, holds God’s non-existence as provable (or provable), and is 100% certain about its non-existence."

Just in case you didn't notice and thought it was at all important (and that its not too pedantic of me to point it out).

My bolding of course.

I am sure you meant provable (or proven) right?
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#37
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Wow, that typo has been there a while Big Grin

Cheers for pointing it out.
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#38
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#39
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Adrian I know what agnosticism is as you have seen I pointed out in my last paragraph about gods existence or non-existence being unprovable.I must clarify that when I argue about the existence of god I am mostly referring to the Christian God.I am sorry for the confusion.But unlike yourself Adrian I dont consider aliens as gods but as a higher civilization.I have heard theories about the how the hieroglyphics of the ancient Egyptians show signs of possible alien contact by their drawings of saucers and strange looking beings.Its a possibility but I have never included them in my idea of god or gods.

As far as us being created by some invisible bieng up in the sky I am convinced that all of the ancient religions are nothing but fabrications of man trying to explain most of all origins such as the universe,life,etc.Hence my view that man created god and not the other way around.
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#40
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I think that there is a difference between being convinced that God does not exist and being a gnostic atheist. A gnostic atheist KNOWS (i.e., has proof positive that is OBJECTIVELY undeniable) that god does not exist. As an agnostic atheist, I too am convinced, for all practical purposes, that there is no god. But I will not go so far as to say that I KNOW there is no god. Such a conclusion must be reached by FAITH, and I don't do faith.
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