That's just a spot that needs to be flooded every year. If people have a problem with it, maybe don't live there.

I also opened up my Q'ran at random (I have the Penguin translation) and read the following: 'Please note: What follows is a work of fiction and is intended for entertainment purposes ONLY. The characters and events portrayed are products of the author's imagination.'

I was stunned, so I closed the book and opened it to another random page where I read: 'DEDICATION: To my darling Candy. I'll never forget that night in Dungannon. Kissy kissy.'

Boru

(February 23, 2016 at 3:40 pm)Chad32 Wrote: That's just a spot that needs to be flooded every year. If people have a problem with it, maybe don't live there.

But so many Atheist bloggers have been killed in Bangladesh recently by slaves if Allah. And who can forget the genocide of the Bengali Hindus by Pakistan. Doesn't Allah reward people for weakening the Kuffar? There's probably an Iyah for that somewhere.

I'm sure you can find some verses encouraging followers to kill people who are not followers.

If you stop owning, opening and reading the Quran maybe others will also. STOP IT!

(February 23, 2016 at 5:55 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: If you stop owning, opening and reading the Quran maybe others will also. STOP IT!

I hardly think that'll happen. In fact, according to a lot of Muslims, if you're reading a translation of the Q'ran, you aren't really reading the Q'ran - it can only be properly read in Arabic. Since I have neither the time nor the inclination to learn Arabic (although I own a beautiful copy written in that language - gift from a friend), I'll have to muddle through with my English translation, which I doubt very much is going to stop Ahmed in Yemen from reading his.

Boru

(February 23, 2016 at 6:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 23, 2016 at 5:55 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: If you stop owning, opening and reading the Quran maybe others will also. STOP IT!

I hardly think that'll happen.  In fact, according to a lot of Muslims, if you're reading a translation of the Q'ran, you aren't really reading the Q'ran - it can only be properly read in Arabic.  Since I have neither the time nor the inclination to learn Arabic (although I own a beautiful copy written in that language - gift from a friend), I'll have to muddle through with my English translation, which I doubt very much is going to stop Ahmed in Yemen from reading his.

Boru

Gotta start somewhere.

(February 23, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Didn't an English guy format the Koran into numbered verses?

I have no idea. What I do know is that the text of the Quran was only standardized in Cairo in Egypt in 1936. Abdullah Yusu Ali handily divides the Surahs into sub-sections which is nice, but I have no evidence to suggest that it was him. Somebody would have had to keep a record of Quran 'verses' early on since Muhammad was randomly spewing them over the course of twenty-three years. Interesting to note is that the Quran is not in chronological order like the Bible.

In the Hadith there is a story about a certain scribe colluding with Muhammad in order to make the revelation better. The implication being, that the words of Abdullah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh, along with those of Muhammad, are found in the Quran. Even if we ignore the Hadith completely, it's not unreasonable to assume that Muhammad did have a scribe.