I guess it must be a law of nature:"Any man upon a sex oportunity can't say no"

I agree with you Void, the seriousness of a crime can be reduced by lack/wrong/insufficient information. But its still a crime and he should get a fucking wake up call for his irresponsability. Really, if one is so desperate for sex there are professionals that can help one with that problem, saving alot of time and effort.

(March 18, 2011 at 6:03 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I guess it must be a law of nature:"Any man upon a sex oportunity can't say no"

My experience with men would suggest otherwise. However, there is often enough temptation given a sex opportunity

Quote:I agree with you Void, the seriousness of a crime can be reduced by lack/wrong/insufficient information. But its still a crime and he should get a fucking wake up call for his irresponsability. Really, if one is so desperate for sex there are professionals that can help one with that problem, saving alot of time and effort.

It's a crime to not know or be tricked? I feel sorry for the users. "Sir, I'm sure you plugged it in, but can you please follow the end of the cord to the outlet?". What a crime it is to not know, best that we reinstitute slavery to avoid much of the problem of ignorance. Quickly now, every moment we delay is another person being tricked or doing something they don't know that they aren't supposed to do.

By the way, professionals cost money, and are not necessarily cheap whores.

(March 18, 2011 at 6:20 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: My experience with men would suggest otherwise. However, there is often enough temptation given a sex opportunity

I'm sure there is, however, I aspire more to humanity than to be just some flesh bags that act on instict. It took a good amount of years to get that working frontal lobe, just to have it put in the background because some can't resist to temptaion.

Quote:It's a crime to not know or be tricked? I feel sorry for the users. "Sir, I'm sure you plugged it in, but can you please follow the end of the cord to the outlet?". What a crime it is to not know, best that we reinstitute slavery to avoid much of the problem of ignorance. Quickly now, every moment we delay is another person being tricked or doing something they don't know that they aren't supposed to do.

I am confused by this analogy, and it doesn't even resemble the situation. Being uncapable of plugging something up and/or plugging it wrongly its not bad for anyone except for oneself(getting an electrical shock or losing warranty). And what does slavery have to do with anything on this thread?

Quote:By the way, professionals cost money, and are not necessarily cheap whores.

If one has the money to go to a night club, surely has enough money for a whore, me thinks

(March 18, 2011 at 6:03 pm)LastPoet Wrote: But its still a crime and he should get a fucking wake up call for his irresponsability.

In our examples, and my ancedote, the 'perp' took reasonable measures in a responsible manner. Inquire about age. Evaluate the answer as best he could. Asked to see I.D.
If he took all reasonable precautions and still got duped he should be held culpable? Any punishment for being taken by a scam artist shouldn't be anything more than a slap on the wrist.

Quote: Really, if one is so desperate for sex there are professionals that can help one with that problem, saving alot of time and effort.

Where the fuck you get that from? Who the hell said anyone was desperate for sex?
One need not be desperate to fall victim to scam artists.

(March 18, 2011 at 7:44 am)fr0d0 Wrote: That's the letter of the law. If you appeal and there is good reason to find you innocent I have faith that the system would work and find you innocent. I would expect an adult to err on the side of legality rather than risk illegal contact with a minor. I would think that the law would look at it that way too.

When we're debating the law to say "That's the letter of the law" is to completely neglect the entire point of the discussion.

They wouldn't be 'innocent' because they have had sex with a minor, that's all the legal system would care about, even if the girl admitted to lying they'd have a near zero chance of being let off the hook.

(March 18, 2011 at 6:45 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(March 18, 2011 at 6:20 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: My experience with men would suggest otherwise. However, there is often enough temptation given a sex opportunity

I'm sure there is, however, I aspire more to humanity than to be just some flesh bags that act on instict. It took a good amount of years to get that working frontal lobe, just to have it put in the background because some can't resist to temptaion.

Humans are platforms of flesh that carry people. Humanity is worthless past the continued source of accessible platforms. These platforms come with tools that people enjoy. Why should they not use them?

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Quote:It's a crime to not know or be tricked? I feel sorry for the users. "Sir, I'm sure you plugged it in, but can you please follow the end of the cord to the outlet?". What a crime it is to not know, best that we reinstitute slavery to avoid much of the problem of ignorance. Quickly now, every moment we delay is another person being tricked or doing something they don't know that they aren't supposed to do.

I am confused by this analogy, and it doesn't even resemble the situation. Being uncapable of plugging something up and/or plugging it wrongly its not bad for anyone except for oneself(getting an electrical shock or losing warranty). And what does slavery have to do with anything on this thread?

It was a joke about tech support and the stupidity of users. People are stupid and irresponsible. Start punishing them harshly for this and you will soon find only a fraction of your population remains. Then punish them for being tricked, and you shall have yourself a haven of paranoid con artists.

Not everything I say is an analogy, you know. Sometimes I say something serious, but most of what comes from me is psychobabble centuries ahead of its time.

Slavery is a method to protect idiots by limiting their ability to interact with the world. How well does it work? Perfectly... for idiots.

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Quote:By the way, professionals cost money, and are not necessarily cheap whores.

If one has the money to go to a night club, surely has enough money for a whore, me thinks

Why would you go to a nightclub if you don't have money? Why own dogs if you don't have money? Why have children if you don't have money? I'll never understand why some of the poor people I have met revel in such squalor.

There are (cheaper) whores outside of nightclubs. The girl in question was of unknown cost to me... she could even have been free for what knowledge I possess.

(March 19, 2011 at 12:39 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: most of what comes from me is psychobabble centuries ahead of its time.

Kudos +1

(March 19, 2011 at 12:39 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Why would you go to a nightclub if you don't have money? Why own dogs if you don't have money? Why have children if you don't have money? I'll never understand why some of the poor people I have met revel in such squalor.

You would deny people life because of their financial situation. Yet you also say people as bags of flesh just do what comes naturally - to paraphrase. Financial security can make for a bland existence.. insecurity produces healthier humans. Yours is an argument for extinction.

Fr0d0 Wrote:You would deny people life because of their financial situation. Yet you also say people as bags of flesh just do what comes naturally - to paraphrase. Financial security can make for a bland existence.. insecurity produces healthier humans. Yours is an argument for extinction.

I don't deny people these things, but I also do not understand why they do them. It's certainly more understandable from my perspective to have children than it is to go to a nightclub or to have a dog, as there is a possibility of that investment paying off at some point. I don't believe people are bags of flesh... but humans are bags of flesh that hold a personality inside of them

That is an interesting point though (hardships lived through produces hardier humans). I don't believe this has to come from ones living conditions, but at present I can think of no other way that this is implemented into at least US society.

If everyone held my beliefs regarding having children, we would indeed go extinct ^_^ Luckily, fools who have children are aplenty and unlikely to run out by the time i die.

(March 18, 2011 at 7:52 pm)Dotard Wrote: In our examples, and my ancedote, the 'perp' took reasonable measures in a responsible manner. Inquire about age. Evaluate the answer as best he could. Asked to see I.D.
If he took all reasonable precautions and still got duped he should be held culpable? Any punishment for being taken by a scam artist shouldn't be anything more than a slap on the wrist.

I never said the 'perp' as you say should get prosecuted to the fullest extent, if you read what I said in previous posts, the presentation of mitigating circunstances can help him with that. And yeah, a slap on the wrist is definately in order in that case. If people aren't at least scared of what might happen, you create a loophole to all those that knew it was a child and wanted some young pussy. All they needed to argue was that they didn't know or were tricked and BAM, no prosecution. If an adult is dumb enough to get fooled by a teenager into sex he should get accused and then the burden of proof its on their hands to prove they were effectively fooled, and in that case if he does prove he was tricked then just a slap on the wrist by the judge is in order.

Quote:Where the fuck you get that from? Who the hell said anyone was desperate for sex?
One need not be desperate to fall victim to scam artists.

Mabe its just me, but if someone goes to sex with someone he barely knows, it seems a bit desperate to me. But don't digress Dotard, we are talking about kids, and they aren't really seasoned scam artists, I would stick my foot on a pile of dog shit if I ever got fooled by a kid. Specially into sex.