(April 11, 2016 at 6:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(April 11, 2016 at 5:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. Some people may very well get off on that specific type of scenario. The point is, should we take the risk at the expense of women? The risk can easily be avoided with a third, gender neutral bathroom.

Also, should the requirement for transgender folks without surgical reassignment using the opposite sex bathroom/lockerroom be that they are in "full drag?" What if they're at the gym, or only had time to put on a little lipstick and padded bra that day?

I agree that a third bathroom would salve the issue, but here in FL a school went through the trouble of installing a 3rd bathroom all over campus for 1 person who signed an agreement to use that bathroom, which now she has renigged on and is using the boys bathroom as the 3rd bathroom infringes on her rights. (Claiming segeration/white and black bathrooms of the 1960s)

What?! So gender dysphoria = rapist? Your ignorance make sick to my stomach, Drich.

(April 11, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Goosebump Wrote:

(April 11, 2016 at 6:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Also, should the requirement for transgender folks without surgical reassignment using the opposite sex bathroom/lockerroom be that they are in "full drag?" What if they're at the gym, or only had time to put on a little lipstick and padded bra that day?

Well since there are no transgender incidents of attacks in bathrooms I don't think any risk is being taken "at the expense of women".  If you can point to the overwhelming problem of strait men dressing up as women to attack real women in bathrooms please share it.

I think a "third bathroom" is unrealistic. 

If somebody isn't in "full drag" what's the problem? Don't all non-single occupant public bathrooms have stalls? Isn't there a law for that?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual...to-assault
http://americansfortruth.com/2014/11/03/...ns-spaces/
http://ktla.com/2013/05/14/da-cross-dres...z2TKsMicgJ

The mainstream media buries these stories to force LGBT propaganda. Are we so stupid to think no one is going to take avantage of these 'laws?'

For what? so that 1% of the population can indulge their mental illness?

(April 12, 2016 at 11:45 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 11, 2016 at 6:06 pm)Goosebump Wrote: So it's political and shared experience. Got it, thank you.

Also it seems like all the heat on this "bathroom/birther" stuff is on the male side; similarly with the anti-gay issues. 

Does it just boil down to strait men being terrified of dicks that aren't their own?

flip the coin sport. You are potentially putting "mentally Ill" men in the lady's restroom. And you are putting a female potentially in a hostel male restroom.

How long before a mentally Ill female get 'raped' by some monster who want to help her figure out she is indeed a 'woman?'

Why are you such an asshole?

I think it's genetic.

(April 11, 2016 at 7:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 11, 2016 at 10:51 am)Drich Wrote: Transsexuals suffer from a diagnosable affliction called Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder. So then how is this not a mental illness if the word/term mental illness literally means:

Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors.
(as per the Mayo clinic)

If this is a mental disorder, then why do we allow the patients to run the asylum? Why do we have mentally compromised people trying to set a national policy that allows them to indulge their disorder?

would we allow people afflicted with Munchhausen access to their kids? Or if you want to look at other people who just hurt themselves, would we allow people who want to cut themselves places they could do so?

'ABSTRACT

Introduction

The etiology of gender identity disorder (GID) remains largely unknown. In recent literature, increased attention has been attributed to possible biological factors in addition to psychological variables.

Aim

To review the current literature on case studies of twins concordant or discordant for GID.

Methods

A systematic, comprehensive literature review.

Results

Of 23 monozygotic female and male twins, nine (39.1%) were concordant for GID; in contrast, none of the 21 same‐sex dizygotic female and male twins were concordant for GID, a statistically significant difference (P = 0.005). Of the seven opposite‐sex twins, all were discordant for GID.

Conclusions

These findings suggest a role for genetic factors in the development of GID. Heylens G, De Cuypere G, Zucker KJ, Schelfaut C, Elaut E, Vanden Bossche H, De Baere E, and T'Sjoen G. Gender identity disorder in twins: A review of the case report literature. J Sex Med 2012;9:751–757.'

You're a pathetically ignorant wretch, Drich.

Boru

how so?

Or have you overstepped and assigned a narrative to my simple questions?

(April 11, 2016 at 5:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree that unless you have a penis, you should not go into a woman's bathroom/lockerroom, and vice versa. For one, if we allow anyone to go into any bathroom/lockerromm so long as they say "I identify with this sex", this opens the doors to fakes who are sexual predators. Second, even though bathrooms wouldn't be as big of a deal for me personally, I respect that there are women who understandably are not comfortable with it. As for lockerrooms, I'm sorry but I would not feel comfortable with a man going in there while I'm in there changing/showering/etc... even if he did say he identified as female. I have no problem with a 3rd option of "gender neutral" bathroom/lockerrooms though. 

I do think there is a difference between intervening when someone is upset and trying to hurt themselves, and intervening when someone has gone through therapy and has decided to go under the knife for extensive surgery. At that point I see it as them being under the care of professionals and doctors, and though I may not agree that it's the healthiest course of action, I would not feel like it is in my authority to stop it from happening. 

The point where the lines may get blurred though, is when we are dealing with people who "feel" they should be blind/deaf/legless/armless/etc. There really are people out there who feel they are in the wrong body and that they should be in the body of someone who is blind, or an amputee or something. Should doctors help them out with that by blinding them? Or cutting off their legs? Obviously the answer is no. But then the question is, how is this different then, from a man who feels he should be a woman and wants to get his penis cut off? If we are being completely objective here, how is this different? I think the difference is that a person who undergoes sex change surgery is still able to function completely properly and normally with all their body parts (at least outside of the bedroom, but inside is not our business).... unlike the person who is unable to see because they had their eyes poked out by a doctor or something. Thoughts?

Here we go with the sexual assaults argument that has absolutely no merit.  Areas that have allowed transgenders to use the restroom they identify with have NOT seen an increase in sexual assaults.  Apparently this doesn't matter because there's the OPPORTUNITY.  I suppose this means that because there's an OPPORTUNITY for a woman to sexually assault a woman, or a man to sexually assault a man that we should ban gay people from the bathroom.  Oh and Catholic Priests too.  Catholic Priests are known for assaulting young boys, so they can't use the bathroom either.   In fact we should just ban everyone from public bathrooms.  Nobody can use them because there's an opportunity for someone to commit a crime.  

You know who often gets sexually assaulted?  Transgender people.   I guess they don't matter though.  It only matters that some people might be uncomfortable and some people might abuse the law.  It doesn't matter that they're getting sexually assaulted.  In fact studies show 50% of transgender people suffer from some form of sexual abuse in their lifetime.  Estimates suggest that number might even be higher.

"They should use gender neutral bathrooms".  Yes, because that's NOT going to cause an issue with those who do have gender dysphoria.  Not to mention it's going to make it really easy for people who want to sexually assault them, seeing them as easy targets.  So long as a few people don't have to feel uncomfortable on the off chance they meet someone that's transgender in the bathroom.

(April 12, 2016 at 11:55 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 11, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Goosebump Wrote: Well since there are no transgender incidents of attacks in bathrooms I don't think any risk is being taken "at the expense of women".  If you can point to the overwhelming problem of strait men dressing up as women to attack real women in bathrooms please share it.

I think a "third bathroom" is unrealistic. 

If somebody isn't in "full drag" what's the problem? Don't all non-single occupant public bathrooms have stalls? Isn't there a law for that?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual...to-assault
http://americansfortruth.com/2014/11/03/...ns-spaces/
http://ktla.com/2013/05/14/da-cross-dres...z2TKsMicgJ

The mainstream media buries these stories to force LGBT propaganda. Are we so stupid to think no one is going to take avantage of these 'laws?'

For what? so that 1% of the population can indulge their mental illness?

Drich, these people are SEX OFFENDERS. They took hold of an opportunity that presented itself. If it hadn't been that opportunity, they would have found another one. These stories are not a case for your argument.

Drich Wrote:

Goosebump Wrote:So it's political and shared experience. Got it, thank you.

Also it seems like all the heat on this "bathroom/birther" stuff is on the male side; similarly with the anti-gay issues. 

Does it just boil down to strait men being terrified of dicks that aren't their own?

flip the coin sport. You are potentially putting "mentally Ill" men in the lady's restroom. And you are putting a female potentially in a hostel male restroom.

How long before a mentally Ill female get 'raped' by some monster who want to help her figure out she is indeed a 'woman?'

Since it hasn't happened yet despite millions of opportunities for it to happen, it is certainly too rare to re-order society in order to guard against it. Have you considered the logistics of making sure that trans people don't use the bathroom they prefer? Maybe have school bathrooms that run on pass cards and handprints so only kids the school has determined the sex of can use the bathrooms assigned to them?

Maybe Drich can stand outside toilets examining the genitals of everyone before deciding if they are allowed in.