(April 13, 2016 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 12, 2016 at 6:26 pm)Evie Wrote: Because it's not a mental illness.

Again, GID by it's very name is a mental disorder which again fits the clinical definition of a mental illness. (one that takes treatment to alleviate one way or another.)

Again, homosexuality used to be considered a disorder too.

Not that I expect you to be post-modern or anything

(April 13, 2016 at 5:11 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I'm sorry CL, but I feel he is a mean, hateful person.  He makes me feel ill.  I honestly wish he'd leave AF and never come back.  I have little tolerance for those in this world who target the vulnerable. [emoji53]

I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't so oblivious to his own failings. As it is, it's like feeling sorry for someone in a vegetative state. They're just not aware.

I'm all for LGB, not as much for the T though( in the sense that I don't think it's "natural", so to speak). I think it's a mental disorder. I don't know whether it's particularly harmful for the people suffering from it, though, so I don't know what to say about it.

(April 13, 2016 at 6:34 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I think it's a mental disorder.

Any more than the bolded part leading you to that conclusion? Such as actual evaluations by experts?

(April 13, 2016 at 6:35 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 6:34 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I think it's a mental disorder.

Any more than the bolded part leading you to that conclusion?

I can only offer my thoughts, not any definite knowledge on the matter - as per my phrasing. I will offer them gladly, though.

It's like thinking you're a chair instead of a human.

(April 13, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 5:11 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I'm sorry CL, but I feel he is a mean, hateful person.  He makes me feel ill.  I honestly wish he'd leave AF and never come back.  I have little tolerance for those in this world who target the vulnerable. [emoji53]

I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't so oblivious to his own failings. As it is, it's like feeling sorry for someone in a vegetative state. They're just not aware.

I must admit I have not read very many posts on thread that are not directed at me. What exactly did he say that is sooo horrendous? Is it simply saying that he believes transgenderism is a psychological disorder?

I'm just curious because I've had people here tell me I'm delusional and mentally insane for believing in God. And while I obviously disagree, I didn't feel extremely angry, offended, or like the person who said it is a heinous evil person who I "f*cking hate."

(April 13, 2016 at 6:37 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 6:35 pm)abaris Wrote: Any more than the bolded part leading you to that conclusion?

I can only offer my thoughts, not any definite knowledge on the matter - as per my phrasing. I will offer them gladly, though.

It's like thinking you're a chair instead of a human.

While that is an extreme example, I do feel similarly as far as the point goes. 

I'm no expert and I could be wrong, but from a common sense type perspective, thinking/feeling like you're something that you physically/biologically are not, does sound like some sort of disorder.

(April 13, 2016 at 6:39 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I must admit I have not read very many posts on thread that are not directed at me. What exactly did he say that is sooo horrendous? Is it simply saying that he believes transgenderism is a psychological disorder?

Which in itself is questionable, since these people aren't mentally ill. It's an insult to them and it goes against what serious experts in the fields have found out during the last few decades. Rocket quoted some of it.

Drippy only quoted conversion therapy con artists, which, even by US standards, is now a questionable practice. Even, because the US tolerated it for the longest time in the Western world.

(April 13, 2016 at 6:39 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I must admit I have not read very many posts on thread that are not directed at me. What exactly did he say that is sooo horrendous? Is it simply saying that he believes transgenderism is a psychological disorder?

I'm just curious because I've had people here tell me I'm delusional and mentally insane for believing in God. And while I obviously disagree, I didn't feel extremely angry, offended, or like the person who said it is a heinous evil person who I "f*cking hate."

Well if your asking...when he compared transgendered individuals to counterfeit money is when the smoke really started to come out my ears...

(April 13, 2016 at 6:39 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I must admit I have not read very many posts on thread that are not directed at me. What exactly did he say that is sooo horrendous? Is it simply saying that he believes transgenderism is a psychological disorder?

I'm just curious because I've had people here tell me I'm delusional and mentally insane for believing in God. And while I obviously disagree, I didn't feel extremely angry, offended, or like the person who said it is a heinous evil person who I "f*cking hate."

You wont understand because you have compartmentalized your belief thinking it really promotes tolerance when it doesn't. Now just like transgendered, gays and lesbians were also called a disorder, but that was scrapped by the psychological and medical community decades ago. Why? Because science adapts to changing data but even with that it still has the chains of social norms in a wider society that often slows down what they really want to say. 

The more we know about the brain the more we know we are not the simplistic magical toys that religion tries to paint us out to be. Our bodies as a species and our behaviors are explained by the sciences, not old books.

The "disorder" is actually coming from society telling them they are broken, but they are not broken, just different, like being left handed is different than being right handed, like having blue eyes is different than having brown or green eyes. They suffer because of bigotry and that is the disorder.