In other words, you go ahead and Google search for that evidence that doesn't exist poolie, in the mean time we'll sit here and wait for you. I'll eat my shell if you find any.

http://m.livescience.com/7023-rules-attr...-love.html

Here is an article I found by a quick Google search, feel free to give it a read, I'm sure there are more articles though, this was the first one I opened.
These standards were never imposed by society,it always served an evolutionary purpose so that genes could be transferred through healthy children. You really are just ignorant on the subject,try reading more and educate yourself.

(April 23, 2016 at 11:34 am)pool the great Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 10:44 am)Losty Wrote: Who cares? Simply because the population of a society agrees on its standards doesn't mean those standards are worth abiding, necessarily.

Okay, you could've just said you didn't know.
I'll explain, from old times itself, humans mated by using visual cues,ie, males with a good physique tend to give more healthier babies and such. This meant more chances of passing on genes.
These rules you say that are imposed are hard-coded biologically by nature,not by society.

Even if that's the case, these aren't absolute rules handed down by God himself. Heaps of people in today's day and age have violated a lot of these rules. So what does it matter at the end? Be with the person you want to be and who likes you in return, and all that. We're not just fucking animals who are bound by biological constrains that we can't but just go around mating and eating and that's it. We do all sorts of other shit no other animal species can do. We can do advanced mathematics, poetry, songs, novels, think in abstract terms, and entertain ourselves non-sexually in sophisticated ways.

And stop worrying about PUA shit. Live a good life, be happy, and respect other groups of people that aren't like you.

(April 23, 2016 at 12:20 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 11:34 am)pool the great Wrote: Okay, you could've just said you didn't know.
I'll explain, from old times itself, humans mated by using visual cues,ie, males with a good physique tend to give more healthier babies and such. This meant more chances of passing on genes.
These rules you say that are imposed are hard-coded biologically by nature,not by society.

Even if that's the case, these aren't absolute rules handed down by God himself. Heaps of people in today's day and age have violated a lot of these rules. So what does it matter at the end? Be with the person you want to be and who likes you in return, and all that.

Stop worrying about PUA shit.

You're reading the whole situation wrong. I'm not saying these rules must be strictly followed by. I'm correcting Losty for thinking these standards were imposed by society. I'm not advocating everyone to follow these rules, do what makes you happy,that is what matters the most everything else only comes second. :-)

Actually where they came from is purely speculation. A bit of biology, a bit of religion, a bit of this, a bit of that. It's not nearly so cut and dry as you try to put it. What about matriarchal societies? If it were completely biological, you'd have to argue that those societies are not biologically the same as other humans.

(April 23, 2016 at 12:29 pm)Losty Wrote: Actually where they came from is purely speculation. A bit of biology, a bit of religion, a bit of this, a bit of that. It's not nearly so cut and dry as you try to put it. What about matriarchal societies? If it were completely biological, you'd have to argue that those societies are not biologically the same as other humans.

I want source that backs up your claim before I proceed to examine the rest of your post.

(April 23, 2016 at 12:35 pm)pool the great Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 12:29 pm)Losty Wrote: Actually where they came from is purely speculation. A bit of biology, a bit of religion, a bit of this, a bit of that. It's not nearly so cut and dry as you try to put it. What about matriarchal societies? If it were completely biological, you'd have to argue that those societies are not biologically the same as other humans.

I want source that backs up your claim before I proceed to examine the rest of your post.

Just as your source is actually about mating and doesn't specifically relate to the topic, there aren't many options when it comes to peer reviewed articles relating to societal standards.

This is an interesting read
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/younkins26.html

Also, this would be nice if I could find the whole article
http://www.peerreviewedbymyneurons.com/2...ial-norms/

There is no science that backs up the belief that social norms are strictly the result of biology. There is also no science that backs up the idea that mating is the only or even the most important reason people adhere to social norms. Finally, there is no science that backs up the idea that biology is the only factor for humans which choosing a mate.

(April 23, 2016 at 12:47 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 12:35 pm)pool the great Wrote: I want source that backs up your claim before I proceed to examine the rest of your post.

Just as your source is actually about mating and doesn't specifically relate to the topic, there aren't many options when it comes to peer reviewed articles relating to societal standards.

This is an interesting read
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/younkins26.html

Also, this would be nice if I could find the whole article
http://www.peerreviewedbymyneurons.com/2...ial-norms/

There is no science that backs up the belief that social norms are strictly the result of biology. There is also no science that backs up the idea that mating is the only or even the most important reason people adhere to social norms. Finally, there is no science that backs up the idea that biology is the only factor for humans which choosing a mate.

1. I didn't ask for a source to your claim that the standards you talked about were imposed by society, I asked for source that justifies your claim that the source I provided was basically pseudo science.

Quote:Just as your source is actually about mating and doesn't specifically relate to the topic,

You clearly didn't actually read it and digest it. Yes, the source I provided talks about mating, furthermore it provides analysis of how factors that contribute to mating are biological constraints imposed by evolution, not society.

Quote:there aren't many options when it comes to peer reviewed articles relating to societal standards.

Just goes to show how full of shit your idea is, doesn't it? It's fascinating because feminists that are trying to push these ideas down the throats of everyone actually believe their bullshit, in their perfect little bubble they really do sincerely believe they are right, even in the face of evidence.

Quote:There is no science that backs up the belief that social norms are strictly the result of biology.

I agree that there is no study that supports that idea. I'm arguing against your idea that the so called standards were imposed by society by providing actual evidence that shows how these standards are as a result of biological evolutionary purposes.

Quote:There is also no science that backs up the idea that mating is the only or even the most important reason people adhere to social norms. Finally, there is no science that backs up the idea that biology is the only factor for humans which choosing a mate.

Refer to my response above, oh and also,before I forget - *facepalm*

No pool, your source was about mating. We weren't discussing mating we were discussing social standards.

(April 23, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Losty Wrote: No pool, your source was about mating. We weren't discussing mating we were discussing social standards.

We were discussing whether these standards were imposed by society or biology. The article I posted addresses it,shows that it is biology.