(April 20, 2016 at 9:18 am)pool the great Wrote: Where are all those precious people that mocked idiot pool when he said men have more issues than women and it's stupid to have a movement that further "empowers" women when men are the one's that are actually oppressed? *ba dm Tss*
Oh I think I hear a sound!! I think they're finally coming over!!! .... Nope.. Just the sound of my glorious victory ringing in the ears of the hundreds. Don't worry though, you probably won't go hungry for breakfast, even if you don't have any steak you could probably just eat you words with a side dish of fuck you.. . mwa ha ha

Why are you always pitting men and women against each other pool? [emoji53]. Seems rather counterproductive, don't you think? Why don't you put as much work into problem solving? If the only reason you are bringing these perceived issues to the forefront is so that you can complain about them and berate women, than that makes you part of the problem...

(April 24, 2016 at 3:09 am)pool the great Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 2:23 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: What you're really saying here is that you had no idea whether what you wrote was or wasn't supported by science, you had to run off and Google a source, and that you've found one and there are allegedly more which support your view, which you somehow know without reading them.

Not really,I knew what I was talking about was supported by science, Losty didn't, she also didn't believe that it was supported by science so I had to find a source.

No you fucking dolt. You still have not proven anything because your link is about mating and I didn't ask you about mating.

(April 24, 2016 at 9:04 am)Losty Wrote:

(April 24, 2016 at 3:07 am)pool the great Wrote: It's relatively easy to relate what the article is taking about and connecting it to answer the question that you were asking.

Ok povide evidence that proves that mating is the only influence on adherence to social standards then.

Ugh. *facepalm* dumbass.
Let me sum up for you, men prefer sexy women not because of societal standards but because of hard-coded biology due to various evolutionary purposes. Women prefer "manly" men not because of societal standards but because of hard-coded biology due to various evolutionary purposes.
This is what the article talks about.
You were complaining how these standards were imposed by society, these standards weren't, this is what the article talks about, these standards mean in a purely biological sense higher probability of passing on genes.

You were saying these standards were imposed by society, I just showed you that you were wrong with a real study. Do you have any source for your claim? I mean other than random blog posts of feminists that is.

Apparently you're now asking me how biology is the only factor playing into these standards. This is called moving goal post. I showed you were wrong, it's time for you to shed some credibility on your words, I do hope they aren't just ideas you took from feminist blogs and such.

(April 24, 2016 at 9:07 am)Losty Wrote:

(April 24, 2016 at 3:09 am)pool the great Wrote: Not really,I knew what I was talking about was supported by science, Losty didn't, she also didn't believe that it was supported by science so I had to find a source.

No you fucking dolt. You still have not proven anything because your link is about mating and I didn't ask you about mating.

(hey! Nice sig, Losty! )

(April 24, 2016 at 12:12 pm)pool the great Wrote:

(April 24, 2016 at 9:04 am)Losty Wrote: Ok povide evidence that proves that mating is the only influence on adherence to social standards then.

Ugh. *facepalm* dumbass.
Let me sum up for you,  men prefer sexy women not because of societal standards but because of hard-coded biology due to various evolutionary purposes. Women prefer "manly" men not because of societal standards but because of hard-coded biology due to various evolutionary purposes.
This is what the article talks about.  
You were complaining how these standards were imposed by society, these standards weren't, this is what the article talks about, these standards mean in a purely biological sense higher probability of passing on genes.  

You were saying these standards were imposed by society, I just showed you that you were wrong with a real study. Do you have any source for your claim?  I mean other than random blog posts of feminists that is.

Apparently you're now asking me how biology is the only factor playing into these standards. This is called moving goal post. I showed you were wrong, it's time for you to shed some credibility on your words, I do hope they aren't just ideas you took from feminist blogs and such.

I didn't move any goal posts. You asserted 1 thing and I asked you to prove it. You failed because your assertion was not "hey it's partially because of biology". Also, there are a lot more social standards than just the 2 you're focusing on.

You're so fucking annoying. There are social standards that exist within societies and vary from one society to another. The exact cause is speculation. I believe it's biology, religion, and many other things that factor in. You asserted that it's biology. You did not assert that it's biology and other things, you asserted that it's biology period for social norms period. You have not proven this. You can keep trying but you will keep failing.

Societal standards originate from many things and people adhere to them for many reasons. Mating and biology are part of it but they are not the whole thing. Everything in this world does not revolve around mating.

(April 24, 2016 at 12:13 pm)The_Empress Wrote:

(April 24, 2016 at 9:07 am)Losty Wrote: No you fucking dolt. You still have not proven anything because your link is about mating and I didn't ask you about mating.

(hey! Nice sig, Losty! )

Why thank you
I thought it was definitely something I wanted to be reminded of hehe

Um as to the OP, men are worldwide the aggressors, literally because of how testosterone affects their behaviors. BUT, that does not change that men ARE discriminated against as well. Men are widely taught as a majority that they are not allowed to be weak, or show emotions, and cannot be lead by women. Not all no, but worldwide that is a social norm sold in most men worldwide.

Men do need to be taught it is ok to show emotions, it is ok to not always be in charge, or to be supported or lead in family or government by women. There is not enough of that.

But as far as women and how they dress, neither men or women should be dictating the state of dress of the individual. If a women likes modesty, they don't need men telling them to do it, or religious reasons to do it. Conversely, a women wearing tight close because she likes that look, is also not the decision of either a man or another woman. Nor do the sex habits of females constitute shaming them by men or women.

When it comes to adults, what matters isn't gender rolls, or state of dress, but consent. So my bottom line is, if you are not involved in the relationship, and nobody is being hurt by it, mind your own fucking business.

(April 24, 2016 at 12:33 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 24, 2016 at 12:12 pm)pool the great Wrote: Ugh. *facepalm* dumbass.
Let me sum up for you,  men prefer sexy women not because of societal standards but because of hard-coded biology due to various evolutionary purposes. Women prefer "manly" men not because of societal standards but because of hard-coded biology due to various evolutionary purposes.
This is what the article talks about.  
You were complaining how these standards were imposed by society, these standards weren't, this is what the article talks about, these standards mean in a purely biological sense higher probability of passing on genes.  

You were saying these standards were imposed by society, I just showed you that you were wrong with a real study. Do you have any source for your claim?  I mean other than random blog posts of feminists that is.

Apparently you're now asking me how biology is the only factor playing into these standards. This is called moving goal post. I showed you were wrong, it's time for you to shed some credibility on your words, I do hope they aren't just ideas you took from feminist blogs and such.

I didn't move any goal posts. You asserted 1 thing and I asked you to prove it. You failed because you're assertion was not "hey it's partially because of biology". Also, there are a lot more social standards than just the 2 you're focusing on.

You're so fucking annoying. There are social standards that exist within societies and vary from one society to another. The exact cause is speculation. I believe it's biology, religion, and many other things that factor in. You asserted that it's biology. You did not assert that it's biology and other things, you asserted that it's biology period for social norms period. You have not proven this. You can keep trying but you will keep failing.

Societal standards originate from many things and people adhere to them for many reasons. Mating and biology are part of it but they are not the whole thing. Everything in this world does not revolve around mating.

Quote:I didn't move any goal posts. You asserted 1 thing and I asked you to prove it.

You said the standards you talked about were imposed by society. I said that the standards you talked about were not imposed by society but biology. Notice how I said "the standards you talked about" and not all societal standards. After I proved how you were wrong and after you couldn't prove shit we ended up with you asking me to prove how my article has relevance with all societal standards(table manners are also standards people abide by). This is called moving goal posts.

Quote:Also, there are a lot more social standards than just the 2 you're focusing on.

Yeah, no shit, way to move the goal posts. Nobody is taking about all the societal standards, we were talking about the societal standards you mentioned that you said were imposed by society(which it isn't, which you have yet to provide a credible source to back up with).

Quote:I believe it's biology, religion, and many other things that factor in.

Up until some time ago you were arguing the standards you mentioned were a result of society imposing it. Now you believe it's biology, religion and many things that factor in. Nice try, you were arguing against how biology had anything to do with our discussion,I was the one arguing for it and I have already shown the relevance of biology in the discussion. Now that you've mentioned "religion and many other things that factor in" - prove it.

Quote:Societal standards originate from many things and people adhere to them for many reasons. Mating and biology are part of it but they are not the whole thing. Everything in this world does not revolve around mating.

Again, you were arguing against how biology having any relevance on the subject, you can't change your stance mid -debate.

I'm also waiting for a source for your claims, so far you've only been asking me for source, if you aren't going to source your word salad in your next post and continue to bitch about how annoying I am, consider your post ignored with not even a slightest fuck given. Peace.

So....children being quiet has to do with mating?

I never ever made a single argument about biology having no bearing you fucking liar.