Quote:an outsider could actually win?

And then what?

Hasn't the last 8 years demonstrated how impractical this government is when you have one party which simply refuses to work with the other?   What do you think would happen when your "outsider" stands up before congress and they all give a collective "fuck you."  Your "outsider" will have no base whatsoever in congress.  No one who will cover the "outsider's" back.  Or are we invoking magic here and thinking that an "outsider" will usher in an era of peace and love?

You may as well pray for fucking god to intervene for all the good that will do!

Yes indeed.  The temperament to have his finger on the nuclear button!

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/furious-...the-press/

Quote:‘Furious’ Trump sues former campaign aide Sam Nunberg for $10 million for leaking dirt to the press

Quote:Why file this lawsuit in the middle of a presidential campaign? The Washington Post’s Robert Costa says it’s because Nunberg made Trump really angry and he just couldn’t help himself:

(July 13, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:an outsider could actually win?

And then what?

Hasn't the last 8 years demonstrated how impractical this government is when you have one party which simply refuses to work with the other?   What do you think would happen when your "outsider" stands up before congress and they all give a collective "fuck you."  Your "outsider" will have no base whatsoever in congress.  No one who will cover the "outsider's" back.  Or are we invoking magic here and thinking that an "outsider" will usher in an era of peace and love?

You may as well pray for fucking god to intervene for all the good that will do!

I don't know US political history ... But what you seem to be describing is one government with two sides to the Party, just named differently?...

(July 13, 2016 at 12:50 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 1:45 am)MyGLeonTrotsky Wrote: I am a Trotskyist, I am a real leftist, unlike Clinton.

You're a Trotskyst? I thought they died out when he showed his true colors at Kronstadt. At least they should have. The Kronstadt rebellion was the only incident of commoners really trying to take over. Trotsky put an end to that. And a brutal one for that matter.

I don't worship Trotsky, certainly. I was a Luxemburgist, but I moved to the Right.

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(July 13, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:an outsider could actually win?

And then what?

Hasn't the last 8 years demonstrated how impractical this government is when you have one party which simply refuses to work with the other?   What do you think would happen when your "outsider" stands up before congress and they all give a collective "fuck you."  Your "outsider" will have no base whatsoever in congress.  No one who will cover the "outsider's" back.  Or are we invoking magic here and thinking that an "outsider" will usher in an era of peace and love?

You may as well pray for fucking god to intervene for all the good that will do!

Fuck Congress. I don't worship or obey an entity that stands for hot war, cold war and class war. The problem with the government is the far right lurch it's had for the past four decades.

(July 13, 2016 at 3:36 pm)madog Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And then what?

Hasn't the last 8 years demonstrated how impractical this government is when you have one party which simply refuses to work with the other?   What do you think would happen when your "outsider" stands up before congress and they all give a collective "fuck you."  Your "outsider" will have no base whatsoever in congress.  No one who will cover the "outsider's" back.  Or are we invoking magic here and thinking that an "outsider" will usher in an era of peace and love?

You may as well pray for fucking god to intervene for all the good that will do!

I don't know US political history ... But what you seem to be describing is one government with two sides to the Party, just named differently?...

No, no.  The parties are as different as night and day.  All you have to do is look at their respective platforms to see that.  Now platforms are nothing more than wish lists but the thought of those conservatard bastards trying to enact theirs is frightening.

What would happen in a European country where the prime minister did not have a majority?

Hey let's see the tapes, fuckface.  What are you hiding?

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/judge-to...testimony/

Quote:A federal judge on Wednesday will hear arguments over whether to publicly release video excerpts of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump being questioned under oath about his Trump University real-estate seminars.

Trump’s lawyers are fighting release of the videos, saying they will be exploited by media organizations and others during the presidential campaign.

Hillary endured 11 hours by that bullshit Benghazi committee. Let's see what you have under the hood.

Third parties standing on a platform outside the main parties platforms, depending on the percentage from the electorate, can change the policies of the main parties stance in the future.

I consider my vote as a way of making my point of view known ... voting tactically doesn't do that in my opinion. In fact it can often send the message that their direction or their candidate is what the public want.

I certainly can't accept that someone voting in accordance with their conscience makes them stupid.

We're not talking about stupidity.  We're talking about futility.

Third parties here are impotent.

Until they're not. There are only two major parties in the USA, but they have been replaced by third parties or changed so substantially that they can be regarded as different parties at different points in time. Like how the Party of Lincoln actually used to be the Party of Lincoln, but now it just isn't.

The way it appears to me is that voting by conscience could eventually make a difference ....

There are three possibilities:

a) My vote will make no difference ... nothing lost or gained but I have been true to myself, I can feel confident, if either of the two main candidates cause a war or enact some inhuman law, as I didn't contribute to their Power.

b) My vote does make a difference ... because others start voting on their conscience .... A big enough vote could change the main parties positions to try to capture our votes.

c) My vote helps break the status quo .... however unlikely, its is more likely if I vote with my conscience and not just as a technical game .